I love trolls. I really do. It's like having your own personal Robert Fisk. Also, I get to read the comments of xCavTrooper as he totally eviscerates them. Addison does a good job also. Unfortunately, after you throw enough facts and logic at them they slink away. Matthew lasted about two weeks here. The folks over at Rantburg really miss Murat. Here's hoping that barney will stick around a while because he is just so much fun to play with and is a textbook example of how liberals debate. xCavTrooper has documented lots of this in the previous week's comments.
A good example of chutzpah, is someone who murders both of his parents and then throws himself on the mercy of the court because he is an orphan. Follwing is another example of chutzpah from barney in one of his comments from yesterday:
You forgot the one from the Conservative playbook, declare victory and run away. You've been thoroughly spanked. Dimmy bravely ran away, away. When danger reared its ugly head, Dimmy turned his tail and fled.
Fulbright? Ran away.
Hillary's Book? Ran away.
Clinton doing nothing to catch terrorists? Ran away.
Cuba's dry foot policy? I had to teach you what it was, then you ran away.
Bush caring about little Elian? Ran away.
War costing $20B + $2B a month? Ran away.
Jay Bookmans editorial? I had to explain it to you, then you ran away.
Bush's National Guard Service? Ran away.
OBL' courage? Spanked you. You ran away.
and I didn't even get to: "The current economic downturn started during Clinton's last year in office." Then why didn't GWB mention it during the campaign? His line was that the economy was so *good* that we needed the tax cuts.
Denny-can-I-call-you-Dimmy, you claim many more victories like these and you're going to be the France of the internet.
I'm still trying to figger out where he said I claimed victory and ran away. OK Let's examine this a bit. You notice right from the start, he starts calling me names. That's one of the things liberals do when they are losing arguments. In an earlier comment he called me a Nazi, and I had every right to invoke Godwin's Law, but I didn't.
Let's examine the arguments that I ran away from.
Fulbright - Google Clinton Fulbright vietnam and see what you get. There are countless places on the net that document exactly how Fulbright pulled strings for Clinton and got him out of the draft. I'll let my readers decide this one.
Liberal ploy - any source that doesn't agree with your argument is suspect.
Hillary's book - Hillary got $8 million on a book deal and she was cleared of wrong doing by the Senate Ethics (oxymoron altert) Committee. I'll give barney this one, really. It's the truth. I just pointed out that, in my opinion, it was unethical. Of course, barney didn't mention the Clinton pardons.
Liberal ploy - Everyone does it. Look at Newt Gingrich. OK. Newt was censured and paid a fine. He took his lumps like a man.
Clinton doing nothing to capture terrorists - barney suggested this link Cool. I asked him about the embassy bombings in Africa, more specifically, Kenya and Tanzania. He called me an idiot (always use name calling) and said the Saudis beheaded them. I said no the embassy bombings. He still stuck to the Khobar Towers and the marine barracks. According to his link, four people have been captured and 16 remain at large. So some of the people have been caught. Interestingly enough, on the eve of Monica Lewinski's testimony, Clinton lobbed some cruise missiles into the Sudan and wiped out an aspirin factory and lobbed some into Afghanistan and took out some goats. Evidently Clinton didn't do enough since we had the Cole and 9/11. And more on the Afghanistan strike a little later in this post.
Cuba's dry foot policy - barney said he had to teach me about a policy that had absolutely nothing to do with Elian. Even under Bush's policy, not that it matters, Elian would have been allowed to stay because he made it to shore. And he took me to task for calling the federal agents who kicked in the door and scared the bejesus out of Elian goons. "Those were federal agents", he said. What do you want to bet that barney thinks John Ashcroft is a Nazi? And any federal agent who kicks in a door in the name of national security is a Nazi and a goon? This is one area where I somewhat agree with barney, except I'm more consistent. I think excessive force was used to get Elian from the house. I think that bullshit is wrong no matter who is president. I believe, and I may be wrong, that barney thinks only federal agents are Nazis during Republican administrations.
Liberal ploy - make false comparisons.
War costing $20 billion + $2 billion a month - Dammit! I worked out the math for him. Something only costs what you actually spend on it. I even gave him an example. Suppose a bank lent him $10,000 to buy a car. He found a car for $5,000 and bought it instead. How much did the car cost? I guess barney would say it cost $10,000. If we continue to spend $2 billion a month for another 15 months, then the war will cost $79 billion. Once again, I will let my readers decide who is right. BTW, he chided us for getting all of our news from right wing news organizations. So, I gave him this link and he still wasn't satisfied.
liberal ploy - Ignore all facts and logic that does not conform to your beliefs. Even when these facts come from left wing sources.
Jay Bookman's editorial I had to explain it to you - No, you actually called me stupid because I didn't understand it. You never explained it to me. Even Jay Bookman couldn't explain it to me. To you it made sense, because you are a liberal. Y'all think different from the rest of us.
Liberal ploy - Lie and call names
Bush's National Guard service - Bush served Clinton didn't. It's as simple as that. Clinton was a draft dodger. Bush wasn't. Bush didn't show up for a physical. Well neither did Clinton. See previous links. Once again, I'll let my readers decide.
Liberal ploy - Slam the other guy. False comparison.
Osama bin Laden's Courage - This came about from the liberal ploy of defining the war against terrorism as catching Osama bin Laden. I said that I think binny is either hiding in a cave somewhere or is pushing up daisies. barney gave me this link to NPR to support his statement that binny was alive and well and still raising hell. Funny, I saw nothing there about bin Laden after 9/11. But here's sumpin' from that same transcript about Clinton's missile strike:
It is not known why the Americans chose a camp in Khost to retaliate. The camp was an almost deserted camp where only few Arabs have stayed, with a neighboring camp of Kashmiris. Bin Laden himself was hundreds of miles away, and the rest of Arab Afghans were in the northern front celebrating their recent victories.
Remember, Clinton said he just missed him by a few hours. Anyway, back to binny. The last time we saw him he looked like shit. He had his left arm dangling with his hand behind his back. Binny is lefthanded. We've had a few audio tapes from him, maybe, but I think he's scared shitless or dead. Why no more videotapes? Once again, I leave it up to my readers.
Liberal ploy - Lie like hell. Provide a link that does not support your view. Maybe no one will actually go read it.
And, I'm sorry I misunderstood your question about my statement that liberals think the only reason socialism has never worked is because the right people have not been in charge or enough money has not been thrown at it. I thought you were asking about examples of failed socialist countries. I didn't realize you were asking me what liberals said that. Sorry can't name one. Why do you think socialism has never worked anywhere it has been tried? Or if you don't agree with that statement, why do you think socialism failed in the USSR, Cuba, the Warsaw Pact nations, Zimbabwe, and coming soon France (10% unemployment and getting worse with a looming Muslim problem) and Germany (High unemployment and still trying to recover from reunification with East Germany.).
Liberal ploy - Unknown. We'll see how he responds. I'm really curious to hear the real reasons that socialism has failed from a liberal.
I want you all to realize, that I just responded to all of barney's accusations, and, at no time did I resort to name calling and other invective, unless he considers being called a liberal is offensive. We'll see if he can respond in kind.
Betcha he can't.