Advocating cruel and unusual treat? Dropping Franken in the middle of the Sunni triangle? Even the Sunni deserve better treatment. What you are advocating will make Muslimes hate us forever.

Is: "And you wonder why I hate Dimocrats so much. It's because for some twisted reason they hate America and the American way of life."

Is THAT the American Way of life?

Suppose it was YOU held without formal-charge; suppose it was you who had no idea when you might be released (nevermind what you were never even charged with!); imagine you had no recourse to trial by law!

Dim's don't hate America and/or the American Way: they just keep piping up (because they want to right things) when they are given to understand that the 'rules' as they are given to accept & understand them, mean one thing on Tuesday and a perplexing-nother thing by Thursday.

Dim's (as well as Repug's) all play a diversion/distraction strategy that takes the focus away from the only central issue that matters:

Moral Personal Responsibility.

And I ain't talking about ANYone else taking charge of my OWN Moral Personal Responsibility, either for me or against me!

I've listened to you, I've read you thoughtfully & carefully for many months now; I've looked from time to time to see if your 'positions' are consistent with your rants (which I eagerly look forward to 365!): they are not.

Array your Four Principles against your average homicide-bomber in Iraq and I find that they are your best accolytes! I think I said it wrong, but sad to say, they are the one's whose actions are speaking louder than any rhetoric of ours.

I read, I think, I feel, I see; I admit to being confused as to what I hear versus what I see.

I do NOT condone what 'they' are doing.

But are we not 'headed' for the very same thing?

Moral Personal Responsibility. Don't ya think (from time-to-time) that the 'other side' is contemplating this very same object? I do.

Moral Personal Responsibility [shrug]; that concept does not allow me to judge another; As far as oneself is concerned, I think you personify Moral Personal Responsibility. But.

From time to time, however, we have to ask: are we making the larger things better by our small-actions? We can get no end of echoes from the Choir. But echoes are not reasoned-responses, demonstrating possible solutions..

Moral Personal Responsibility.

For me, this is like the folks who say "To get to the bottom of things, follow the money!". Show me, thru word, deed, ACTION & rhetoric that yours is a course of Moral Personal Responsibility and I am your fierce & staunch defender! I offer the same; I accept the same.

"They would soon find out what real torture is and who the real enemy is".

Suggest you ask "Pogo" about the 'real enemy'.

If you really want to know, Google those terms.

I like the idea of taking... "Senator Durbin and some of the other America haters on the left like Michael Mooore and Al Franken to Iraq and drop them off in the middle of the Sunni triangle". I like the idea of doing it from 20,000 feet better.

Dan, You are confused. These people really don't even deserve POW status. That is if you want to go by the definition provided by the Geneva Convention. And nobody's head has been lopped off just yet.
I really think the point was that Durbin insulted our military comparing them to nazis. That is quite simply unacceptable and downright stupid.

Great post. It was the bare-knuckle beating which Durbin deserved. 99 senators should have instantly condemned his virulently anti-American comments. I posted this morning about contacting my two senators ony to get the response "the senator hasn't taken a position on that issue." Everyone should contact their senator and ask why they haven't condemned this crap. Michelle Malkin has a link to phone numbers for all senators.

Come on with it Denny! You are 'right on'!

But if Senator 'Turban' Durbin really had 'balls', he'd carry his alligator mouth over to Iraq and in front of American soldiers, some of which have been wounded and seen first hand and up close the horror of the Islamic fanatic as the heartless bastards purposely kill innocent women and children; Then call them Nazi's to their faces.

Hell no...his canary ass knows better. He would rather make those comments here, under the umbrella of 'free speech'...provided by those he calls 'Nazi's'.

Piss on Turban Durbin and the horse he wrote up on!!

Let's see, how did all these poor uncharged innocent civilians end up at Gitmo to begin with? Oh yeah, we captured them on the battlefield while they were shooting at our soldiers. They are not US citizens and therefore do not have any right to a trial by jury, with taxpayer funded court appointed attorneys.

And if we did close Gitmo, what should we do with them? Any constructive suggestions or solutions from the liberals on that little conundrum?

I do not agree with closing Guantonamo Bay but I do agree with bringing up formal charges. It is only fair since we know it is for 9/11. Also, the party I often vote for can stop politicizing something they were happy to create five years ago.
If there are injustices at Gitmo, let's fix tthem. By gum, American prisons are hell, but we're not closing them down the moment we hear of complaints. i hate to say this, but I think this is just another attempt to slap on Bush (like he needs it after Abu Gharib).

One question....

How do you plug the A/C in in the cave? I doubt these prisoners have ever seen A/C.

The inmates at Guantanamo are not members of a military force belonging to a sovereign government, they did not wear uniforms, they have no formalized chain of command. Their tactics include firing on coalition troops while hiding behind children and sawing the heads off of their captives on camera after torturing them, all the while shouting "Allahu akbar!"

They are entitled to no protections under the Geneva Convention. Nevertheless, they are given two hot halal meals a day, free medical and dental care, freedom to practice their religion as they see fit (including accomodations made to facilitate their practicing of their religion). We don't feed them MREs because it's considered inhumane. Our servicemembers in the field eat MREs because they have to; it's that or starve in some places.

I worked for many years in command and control facilities where the air conditioning was cranked up to keep the equipment cool. The humans in those facilities routinely froze. Strangely, no one thought to consider it torture.

We're allowed by law to keep these people in custody for the duration of the conflict.

If we closed Guantanamo Bay, where would we put all these enemy combatants? Maybe we should send all of them to the prison system in Illinois and let Senator Durbin explain that to his constituents. Or we could release them back to their home countries so they can rejoin the ranks of the terrorists and attack our servicemembers and innocent civilians again.

Does Draft Dodger Durbin care about POW Pfc Keith Maupin??

The hate America bunch of leftists have promised to leave America many times. Perhaps they need a gummint supplied 1st class airplane ride. OK, the underwing bomb shackles of B52s to the 3rd World anti-American land of their choice. These leftists would be true dumb bombs.

BTW. Has anyone ever figured out how much respect and goodwill Jimmy Carter gained for America by giving away the Panama Canal?? I bet that idiot would have given the WTC to Al-Queda if he thought they would then love us

It just highlights how far the left is willing to go to denigrate our troops and our country. When you have nothing of substance to offer, the weak minded turn to insults...

WarWagon hit the nail on the head with that one! The left never has any ideas to solve problems, they only criticize and denegrate,name-call and insult! Fuck that shit!! Appeasement is for the weak! And as far as Dan S. goes, saying that it is so horrible that these rag-heads are being "held without formal charge"....I say BIG FUCKING DEAL!!! Obviously they did something. Our "horrible" military didn't just round up a bunch of camel-fuckers for no reason. Obviously they did something to/against us! Put the bong down Dan S. Come back to reality! Don't take the brown acid!

Dan - As was pointed out by other commenters, these people are not covered by the Geneva Convention. Even so, they are treated more humanely than they deserve. Get this through your head. They are our enemies.

Yes. I know what Pogo said.

I think the Dimocrats are anti-American because by and large they are socialists and communists who are against capitalism and the free enterprise system that this country was founded on. Since the Republicans have been in power they have been almost as bad. At least the Republicans favor a strong military and taking the fight to the enemy. The Dimocrats hate the military and believe that there is no enemy they cannot appease. Their actions extended the Cold War.

I agree that we should close Gitmo - right after we line the "detainees" up and shoot them. A military firing squad is appropriate for enemy combatants who wear no uniform and have no national affiliation.

Powerline had a piece about a 'Franken for Senate' meeting, and he made noises about how proud he was to have entertained the troops. As I recall, wasn't there something at the time about him using his 'entertaining' time to whack on the President, and play word games about 'not bothering to equip you with armor'?

Ahh, Denny! And his 'Deni-zens'!

Almost everytime you write/post/rant, it makes me sit back in my easy-chair and ruminate/contemplate what you have said.

That's a VERY high compliment!

I'd write more tonight, but I'm off to visit the villages of the Cheyenne, Crow, Sioux & Chippewa in the Dakota's at o630.

Good night & Good day!

Dan S.

I sometimes wonder what the point is in keeping them detained after their military intel value is gone. They are war criminals after all, why not shoot them? We could spare the ones who cooperate as an incentive to the others and line the rest up for daily target practice.
But the USA has never done the right thing in this regard. We have always been kinder to our enemies than they deserve, and treated them better than any other nation would.
We have seen the ones who were freed return to combat in spite of signing an agreement not to. I have no doubt that once this "war" is "over" and we free them, that they will return to their terroristic roots, and we will again have to deal with them.

Glad to see you addressed the Turbin situation. I am the mom of a US Marine, and I also live in Illinios. Durbin doesn't represent me, or anyone I know or associate with. I fired off my letter of dissaproval to his office and to my local paper. I've asked that anyone else, R or D do the same. I heard a clip on talk radio today, that says that MSM is yacking that only Republican's are griping about Durbin. Well, if you are a Democrat/lib/independant whatever....get thyself over to his e-mail address AND copy your own state senator.
I don't want any steenking apology. I want him out of office. Treason is still against the law, so lets utilize that law and put him where he belongs.

Semper Fi!
Making a Marine mad is never a good choice. Pissing off him mommy is always a bad choice!

Anybody that has been through POW camp, in the military, knows worse treatment than Durbin charged. The pardox that the military faces is that their sacrifice breeds freedom. Freedom breeds both capital and arrogance in people like Durbin and his fellow fifth column friends. These guys are killing the goose that continues to lie their golden eggs.