Perfect! But, I reckon she got her inspiration to give aid and comfort to the nation's enemies from the examples of Jacques Fargin Querrie, Hanoi (or Baghdad, if you prefer) Janie, and others of that ilk, most of whose names my keyboard steadfastly refuses to key in. I had to stifle the urge to vomit with just those two.

They make a nice couple, and she is available since her husband just filed for divorce!

She could use a good dose of Islam. Marry her to the Saddamizer. how many wives does he have now?

Yadda, yadda, yadda about the who/what/why of why we are in Iraq.

I'd simply ask YOU to answer the question:

WHAT is the Noble Mission my friends & neighbors are being killed & maimed for?

I work (volunteer-work) at Decatur VA here in Georgia and I am simply relaying what I hear from real folks with real experience.

Another question: How do we define Victory?

I'm no 'Cindy'-Fan per se, but I have to admit that there is 'overlap' between what the 'Media' is on about and what MY Veterans in Rooms 112 thru 123 are on about.

What comes up over & over is that "my" Troops express that they are aware, that for the first time ever in American history, THEY percieve themselves as the agressors in a War ...-and it unsettles them more than a little.

I have "USMC/USAF" tatooted on my right-forearm because I EARNED it;

Yet what I have come to understand is that my tat allows me to LISTEN.

And what I hear is not what one would expect.

Just saying.

Dan S.

DanS, my preference would be to close all the mosques in America, deport all muslim clergy and activists. We ain't gonna do it. So what do we do??? Wait for more attacks? Very little support for us in the world, although you bet your ass most are probably damn happy we are fighting the war(for them).

We have given lots of the worlds most radical muslims a place to come and die for the cause. Kill them there.

Wish we had a larger spear tip(ground fighters) on the military. The enemy(islamists) is hoping we will tire, a la Vietnam. We might. If more of the indulged, pussified young males in this country would line up at military recruiters it would show a resolve that might discourage the enemy.

I am a disabled Vietnam vet, no tats. I spend time at the VA and hear both sides from the fighters from Iraq and A'stan. More think we are doing the right thing than think not. Some of those against think so only because they want us to be more aggressive. Some truely are against the war.

What do you offer as an alternative to the war as it is being conducted. Don't say negotiate. There is no sanity on the enemy side to negotiate with.

Victory? Shit I don't know unless we kill every muslim in existence. All I can hope for is the minimum terror attacks on us with the resulting losses of daily freedom and the hope that the goofy fucking muslims will see the light and clean up their own cultish religion

TomR
RVN 66-68
SF 70-72

Dan,
I suppose you missed out when the senate released Joe Wilsons report. What he said, and what the report said are two diffrent things. The problem with Saddam was this. He was responsible for PROVING that he had disposed of 100% of his WMDs. He never furnished that proof. We know within reason how much percusser agent he purchased, and by inference how much chemical agents he had. Its not all accounted for. Saddam was giving money to the families of suicide bombers in Israel, and had dirested an assasination plot against a former president. both acts that tend to indicate a willingness to support terror acts directed against the United States.
I tend to agree with Tom, Islam has been a problem for centuries for our nation. You are an ex Marine, tell me, where are the shores of Tripoli? Our first fight ever after independence was with muslim terrorists. What was happening then? Europeans were appeasing the terrorists of the Mediteranian. Our ships got attacked, we said BULL and fought back. History repeats itself. Europe cowered, we kicked ass. remember that next time you hear any cliche about the USA and enemies in the muslim world.
If you've studied Islam at all, yo uknow that its not a religion of peace, its a sex/murder cult. Here in America, we read about pali-jew violence, jew-pali violence, and recently the jew-jew violence as Settlers were removed from Gaza. We never hear about pali-pali violence. does that mean it does not happen? FACT: there are more palistinians killed by fellow palis then the combination of the other three in any given week. I'm refering to political or terror type killings, not crime driven violence, yet the lamestream media never reports it.
To answer your question, the noble mission is bringing democracy to the muslim nations. We did it in Europe sixty years ago. How long did the terrorist attacks go on there? do a fact check Dan, the terror attacks there continued for over 40, yes forty years. Google Ramstein USAFE bombing. There were also attacks on Rhine Main and Mainz that same year, assasination attempts, and kidnappings. And these were civilized Europeans! BTW they were funded in part by Libya another bastion of good old islam.
Our politicians gave up in Vietnam, and look what happened. The country was decimated. The inteligentia were killed enmasse. They even killed the vietcong leadership as part of their purge. Thats the lesson we needed to learn from Vietnam.
I could go on, I won't. Denny likes bitchslapping retards like you. I look forward to his response.

Jeremy, TomR,

I see and understand your respective points and I have to ask:

Why was the decision to go to war not presented as simply as you have indicated?

Why could we (ALL of us!) not have been presented with a simple case that said something to the effect that we are going out to exterminate Muslims before they exterminate us?

I'm not saying I disagree with the war as we currently have it, but I am saying I disagree with the case presented for it as it was presented to us.

I am further saying that if this is a Global War on Terror, then why are we fighting it with a professional military rather than an all-inclusive American effort? It just doesn't make sense to me that we fight with the best military that money can buy and sort of leave it at that, while the 'bad guys' use every nasty dirty rotten trick in the book.

As both of you indicate, knowing the truth is what sets us free and apart from 'true believers' who simply follow where the blind Imams tell them to go.

In order to continue to be a beacon of freedom, I am saying we have got to practice what we preach. Nothing more, nothing less. To have presented to us a clear case of objectives and rationales.

Then turn us loose and watch us accomplish the mission.

Regards.
DanS

Everybody who knows me accuses me of overtalking and overexplaining EVERYthing. In this case, tho, let me go the other direction.

Given: The Islamist fanatics want "holy" war with us.
Likely: They'll get it sooner or later.

Question: In which hemisphere do we want to fight it?

Dan,

The leadership are politicians. They cannot present things simply, although Bush really did present it that way initially. The LSM and anti Bush politicians could not accept the simplicity and cranked up the nit piking details. The Europeans, UN and muslim world also had to complicate the program. Don't forget, when you watch a presidential speech the talking heads afterward tell us what he "really" said and what he "really" meant.

Refer back to my comment on pussified American males to answer your lack of "all-inclusive American effort". Pisses me off too. We have actually been attacked on home ground, threatened with more attacks and the chickenshits still want someone else to fight for them, including American women with more courage than the male shirkers. We need a larger (manpower, infantry) military to keep from having to maybe use tactical nukes.

This is a tough war, being made tougher by Americans lack of resolve. The goddam muslims may push us to the extreme unless they get active and start cleaning their own House of Cult.

Best answers I can come up with in a complicated situation.

Dan - We have discussed this many times. The problem is America doesn't have the will to fight a real war and the LSM doesn't want us to fight it anyway. In their version of reality all we have to do is be nice to the Muslims and give them what they want, the destruction of Israel and for us to completely remove ourselves from the Middle East. The left and the LSM think that if we do that, the Muslims will leave us alone, even tho' they have said over and over they want a worldwide caliphate with the world living under sharia.

We don't dare reinstitute a draft because then we would have another Viet Nam scenario.

The left and the LSM are hopefully praying that this will be another Viet Nam.

We are fighting WWIV. No matter how badly the Republicans do, the Dimocrats will do worse, just like they did in the Cold War (WWIII).

I fear it will take more attacks on our soil to reenergize this country to do what must be done.

I also fear that we are fucking up in Iraq if the Iraqis draft a constitution based on Islamic law that makes women second class citizens. I also realize that if that happens, we are fucked. There is no Islamic "democracy" that remains a democracy.

We could use another Ronald Reagan.

I appreciate the civil-discourse on this issue.

I do so much reading (left & right and all points in-between); I want to share with you something I think paraphrases what I think your site is all about:

I can't formulate exactly what it is in [GOC] that gets to me, but I know that some of his writings have sunk down into my bone marrow where they stimulate the production of antibodies to humbug; And the man has an ear.

Hope you see this as the compliment intended.

Dan, while I agree with Denny that America will never have a draft, I believe it desperately needs one. Not for a lack of military strength, but because military service builds nationalism, and character. Our youth are being fed the ideas of globalism in our schools. We defeated communism in WW3, and now the left wants to capitulate to them.
We are soft, we are weak, we are too ingrained with our luxury. But we are still the most powerful nation on the planet, militarily, economically, you name it. We lead. we have done so for well over a century. In 1787 when we drafted our constitution, the rest of the world sat up and took notice. We were the first nation in which the power of the government was derived solely from the people. Our shores have beconed to the oppressed people of a hundred nations through two hundred years and more. We are not imperialistic. As Collin Powell said, the only land we take is that upon which we bury our dead. Time and again our enemies within attack us with the lies, calling us imperialistic, materialistic, racists, and warmongers. As individuals, many of us are. As a nation we are decidedly not. We are a tollerant people. We have tollerated the lies of the lamestream medocrity. We have tollerated injustices in our courts. We have tollerated traitors in our own government. In short we as a people have tollerated the intollerable.
When we attacked Iraq, we had every reason to believe that we would find WMD. Saddam had the weapons, some are still not accounted for. We now know that Saddam was indeed trying to acquire yellow cake from Africa. Why all the pesticides in military caches? I'm still baffled by that one. During the Clinton administration everyone thought Saddam had WMD.
So where do we go from here? Do we just pack up and leave? That would leave Iraq and the middle east in turmoil, and would strengthen the resolve of terrorists to attack us. Presently, the majority of the terrorist attacks are being done by non Iraqi operatives. If we left Iraq, they would not go back to their mud huts and tents and behave. The Imams of Islam have so ingrained them that they will press the attack, and whether it is into Europe, or to our own shores, they will not stop. Better to fight them there in the desert than here. Islam has been causing us greief since Carter gave up in Iran. Its time to put an end to it once and for all.

After looking at this picture for awhile, it hit me. Cindy Sheehan looks an awful lot like Prince Charles in drag.

Not making any particular point. Just sayin's all.

Dan - The reason I have never bitchslapped you as some of my readers have suggested is that I know you have feelings for this country and love it. You and I resonate in so many ways. We both want the same things (we just have different ideas on how to achieve it) and we also see things that are fucked up. I think it is a disgrace the way that we treat our veterans. These are men and women that have given life and limbs for our country and we treat them like shit!

I agree with another commenter somewhat, but a draft is not the answer. Even the military doesn't want a draft. Who wants the dregs?

I am more along the lines of Starship Trooper. Before being allowed to vote you must have served in the military. I don't go that far, but I do think that citizenship should come with a price and that price should be military service or some sort of gummint sponsored service like the Peace Corps or VISTA.

This begs a later post on this subject.

Agreed, agreed, agreed and agreed some more!

While I don't think that there should be a 'test' on who is and isn't a 'citizen', I DO think that there should be a National Indemnification of every doggone one of us!

I'm fairly certain that over the years that I've read you & all the responses to you with an open mind. Something like Boortz is to be expected from time to time.

I don't 'hear' you like that; rather, I hear an honest, fact-checking (here it comes) compassionate soul who every once in awhile, after mulling things over, comes out with a resonating-blast of trumpeted-truth.

YOU KEEP ON KEEPING ON!

While you may not appreciate it yet today, you are doing quite a service for the many disparate voices who respond to you.

One of these days (perhaps just-prior to the Marine Corps birthday?) maybe we could set some ground-rules and allow those who may be drinking to post what they REALLY mean. Sort of let the bitcher-tigers out for some exercise. Just a thought.

In real-life I'm the Professor and others are my students; here, YOU are a Professor Emeritus and I'm your willing pupil. Stick to the syllabus & leave the co-ed's alone and I'll be the first to defend you as rational, sane, (here it comes again) and compassionate.

Can I bitch-slapped now, Sir? May I have another?

REGARDS!

Denny,
I know you oppose a draft. The only way I would support one is if it was a 100% conscription, no way to opt out, no deferments, not even mental (limited medical). If it were up to me, the combat arms would be volunteer, and have better benefits such as promotion or pay. The draft rank and file would be trained as truck drivers and engineers, basic construction skills and similar duties. They would be useful in situations like the tsunami, or an earth quake. The fighting would be for those who want to defend our country. Something along the line from starship troopers would be OK also. One of your other viewers slapped me a while back for suggesting it. We had quite an E-mail row on the subject.

It sounds like too many people think musulism is the same as "islamic dickhead". Musulism is just a religion, christians killed a lot more people than musulisms, (what was the religion of Hitler?).

Extremits are made by ignorance, stupidity and lies, not by religions.

Some evil men just took what they needed from musulism and lied to the others, to beat women with rocks for instance, is not in the original text but in its wrong interpretations, made by some male dickheads a very long time ago and used by modern male dickheads. However all musulisms do not follow extremists dickhead, most of them disagree with extremists. There are several version of musulism, islamist is the extremist one , the more agressive one, but not the only and not the most famous.
A fanatic is also a KKK guy, he's not more intelligent, just part of a group of white Christian supremists.

Extremists should be ALL anihilated, the matter is : how can I say this and be different from them?

anyway, they should be anihilated

During Vietnam, good old LBfJ decided to add socialism to the war. He ordered the military(Army and Marines) to take Catagory 4 draftees. These were rejects due to mental disorders. LBfJ (mis)reasoned that this would get some losers off the streets and fill out the militarys ranks with manpower. Like soooo many good little socialist OrwelliaN ideas, IT WAS A DISASTER.

These approx. 100,000 men were a disciplinary problem for the military as well as unreliable. Very few could actually be used in combat.

Many of these men made up the problem, drug addicted, homeless vet that became the "typical Vietnam vet" so much used by Hollywood and the media. These losers claimed PTSD though most saw little or no combat.

This is why a draft would have to be absolutely fair and why there would have to be minimum standards for draftees, no cannon fodder. Also, no college deferment.

Also, DanS. In all the good discussion I forgot to say THANKS for your military service.

Pierce - A lot of what you say is true, but, these wackos are killing in the name of their religion. The imams at the holy sites, Mecca and Medina, are preaching hatred of the west and demanding their followers to jihad. I've said before that not all Muslims are our enemies, but, they need to clean up their religion. As I've told you before, we are fighting a cultural war with these dudes. I don't know how old you are, but if you are in your 20's you should be very frightened. Muslims make up 10% of your population. They are already demanding that you should allow their women to wear headscarves. They are outbreeding you. In 20 years, if you keep ignoring the problem, France will be in deep shit. About that time maybe you'll remember some of what I've written and you'll say, "Merde, the old cripple was right!"

Right back at you Tom!

Pierce,
If you honestly believe Hitler was a Christian, you know nothing about him. He was a manipulator, and a fan of Nietchie, an ardent atheist. Stalin was a Seminary drop out. he also rejected religion, and considered it to be evil. The wars of the twentieth century were by and large secularist wars, there was no religious underpinning to their actions. Those secular wars claimed more victims than all the religious wars of the christians, or the Muslims. its true that Hitler persecuted and masacred the Jews, but its also obvious that his designation of Jew was not a religious one, but a genetic one. Many of the Jews he exterminated were atheists, or Mesianic Jews such as me. Muslims are waging a religious persecution. Look at how Arafat conducted his actions against Israel. Say one thing, do another. In Islam, Its not wrong to lie to your enemy. In fact, its part of Jihad.
Check a copy of the Koran. Find one in Arabic, al the translations are modified. My father was fluent in Arabic. He had a copy once of an actual Koran, and a translation. He said it was worse than the diffrences between a King James and a New American Standard.

Denny,

I hate those headscarves, it makes the girls look ugly, dumb, subjected and that's the purpose, to prevent them from being desired...
But do you know that france is the EU country that protests the more about those religious signs in a laic school?

I wouldn't send any of my child to a school that allows headscarves (I don't have any for the moment, I'm 23).

I hate extremists, and I strongly dislike musulism practices.

But in fact I strongly dislike any kind of religious stupid practices ("don't eat this or you go to hell !" !! BWAHAH! what a joke !!) a religion is in your heart, not in a headscarf or a cross, satan isn't in pig meat, and if you believe it, well, buy a brain, or turn yours on (I know many should do it).

I am pissed off by those who takes religion as a book to learn how to think and how to live, I think religion tells you how to love and tolarate others.
I think by myself even if I am wrong I'll be the only one to blame, I believe in God and fuck the Church, Synagogues and Mosquets and all religious artificial icons. I'm a complex guy you know. A bit anarchist, I love France, not its system.

Don't believe what you see about the French, they don't love musulism, even if they were against the war, there is a lot of racism against musulism people in France more than in the USA (before 9/11), for at least 30 years (you've heard of LePen (little french hitler)).
What is funny is that there is no racism (very few) against black.

As I told you before, it is not the French that decided not to fight, but Jacques Chirac, and he did all he could , with the media it's easy, to convince people , this happened in USA too (but there in both way : for and against the war).

About the war, anyway the French wouldn't have help you a lot. Except our H-bomb, we have a very small army. Our money is spent to help unemployed people so that they feel they won't have to find a job since they don't need one (in France, you can stop working for a year and still receive a good income from the State (70% of your previous job), and even after years you still receive the "rmi" (1100 $ for 2 kids)!!! too much socialism is killing France, 1 000 000 people live thanks to the "rmi" (>1 year of unemployement) because we, the workers, pay them so they can sleep).
As a consequence, we can destroy the whole world once, but we can't attack without complete anihilation of the target : a bit useless.

To summarize why we disagree :

-We were told Irak had no weapons of mass destruction, and we were told Irak wasn't related at all with the 9/11, with proves.
-You were told the contrary, also with proves.

conclusion : we, the people of USA and France didn't really made any decision. Others decided for us.

look : -> in France 80% of TV were against -> 65% of the people were against
-> in USA 40% of TV were against -> 50% of the people for the war (more or less don't remember)

We agree on the constitution and Islamic dickheads but nowdays war is as easy as TV, it's a kind of reality show : the public can vote, but the producer can easily influence the result.

Pierce,
Many of the religious dietary laws were for the safety of the believers. Hogs, for instance, are one of the filthiest animals internally. they carry parisitesy that are not treatable. Thats why you must cook pork completely. The aunt of a friend was in Africa and ate warthog at a farewell feast. The meat was not fuly cooked. she now has a parasite that is destroying her joints. When she dies, they are required to cremate her immediately.
Shell fish is another example, more people become ill from shell fish than any other form of food poisoning.
We have better cooking methods now than they did 100BC. Back then, the dietary laws saved lives. same of the sexual laws, we joke all the time about inbreeding rednecks. The Biblical laws regarding birth rites and marriage were to prevent that.
I saw somewhere that Chirac has an approval rating just over 28%. I think what you said about him is on the mark. I hope you can solve your Islamic problems. You and Germany are both in serious trouble.
Regardsing the WMDs, they reently released Joe Wilsons report concerning the yellow cake, and hardly a word in the press. What he said and what the report said contradict on a lot of areas. It seems Saddam was trying to buy yellow cake after all. Bet dan rather never mentions it.

Well you talk now about the yellow cake, maybe it's a lie, maybe not, anyway right now it doesn't change anything except for politics. It is also said this yellow cake is only the proof pakistan sold contaminated stuff to Sadam.

We still can't know the truth, as usual, politics piss me off these days.

Jeremy, I agree on what you said about how these religious pratices appeared, but now they got no sens left.
There is no reason to follow old traditions, except if you can get some fun from them (like chrismas, or other big days), but restrictions are stupid.

I think these useless restrictions due to religions are evidences that you can manipulate people's mind whereever he is from, however rich he is : you just need to teach him traditions when he's young enough.
And Islamic dickheads have well understood this.
Those restriction still exist in all developped countries!! Well, not a lot, but they still exist.

Ask a very clever jew why he doesn't eat ham he will say :" it's because I respect my religion "

What the?? He didn't get the rigth message, religion is in your heart, not in your fucking respect.

A religion is an idea, an hypothesis, it has no sens to respect an idea, you can agree or disagree that's all.
Religions aren't a representation of truth, they help humanity to follow the path that makes the difference between humans and animals,
God doesn't care if you don't follow traditions, he cares about the way you act and think.

Otherwise we would not call it a religion but a sect.

I'm a free man, I don't need a religion to believe in God.

For me "do not eat ham" is as obselete as "don't have sex before mariage", both come from religions.

It looks like humanity mentality evolves a lot slower than technology.

3 things are against improvements : religions, politics with their demagogy and lasyness

Because the 3 lead to ignorance.