I bet the Israelis would lend us their fence plans. I hear it's been very effective at keeping suicidal, homicidal Mohamatan maniacs out of their country. Not 100%--nothing is--but a good deterrent.

I definately love the idea of having the illegals build the fence, especially the illegals in our prison systems. "Here you go Pedro...start digging!" Then when the fence is built, deport their asses!

I have a "compromise" deal for Mr. Bush.

Take down the fence surrounding the White house, install sensors and cameras and the equivalent number of people to monitor the White House grounds in relation to the monitoring and security of 2000 miles of border and then I might agree with his proposal for a guest worker program.

It would never happen because:
1. the idea would be concidered preposterous by the ruling elite
2. the White House would be too unsecured
3. the president is more important than any other American in this country

Nevermind the issues of crime and disease, how many gummint agencies in this gummint are really as useless as this administration is proving to be the case. The dept. of health, the FBI, the CIA, FEMA, DHS, etc. (forget the fucking IRS)

That fence better go up fast as a new poll shows that most Mexicans (Mexico Mexicans) believe that their gummint is in choas and ready to collapse.

Great.
Better order that Spanish language couse now.

Would this be an "electric" fence?

370 miles of triple- layered fencing along the Mexican border is what you're gonna get...BFD...another band-aid.

I'm so pissed off I can't see straight...

The only problem with an infiltration proof fence, as I see it, is that it can be used in both directions. Harken back the the days of the Berlin wall. It can be used to keep U.S. Citizens in as well as illegal Mexicans out. I wish there was a better way.

Put a dollar amount on each head and let those Texans with guns make them some money. That we stop that shit.

i hear you, but you really should have watched. he specifically said, "we will construct hi tech fences in urban corridors." see? i tivoed it, so that's a direct quote.

granted, it's not the great wall YET, but everything IS bigger in texas. give us a chance. it was almost howard deanish to jump him like this when he clearly supports a fence. just saying.

you can no longer get your news from the urinal, bad synopsis on the speech. i give it 3 stars for content and 5 stars for controlled twitching & smirking. peace out, lovechop!!

We could build the Great Wall of America. China has the blue prints.

To keep the illegal Mexicans out and criminal Americans from making a run for it, put 20 foot electric fences on either side of the wall with 10 foot trenches on either side of those fences. It would make for easy target practice for our soldiers. Ok, may be that is alittle too much. A wall would work.

This makes me think of a great pesident.
"George W. Bush, BUILD UP THAT WALL!!!"

What with the 6000 National Guard troops on the border, we should all sleep better at night. He said they would be in a support role, like directing intelligence... That means the Patrol can get the locations of "Minutemen" vigilantes to Mexican officials even quicker, right? Maybe supply maps, food & water, transportation to Houston, fake I.D.'s, even sign'em up for Medicaid & S.S. numbers right on the spot!

Hey CD, I would rather see the bastards dig a tunnel going back to Mexico and then blow it! Worked good in Nam.

But seriously, we have to bombard our stupid senators with the facts and then inform them that they will be ex-senators soon.

Today, I was in Hayesville, NC, and saw a mason bricking the front of a building...with him were four Mexicans. I couldn't help myself..I stopped the car and asked if all the laborers were legal.
The mason almost s**t his pants...then he started to get mad at me, saying it wasn't any of my business. I told him it IS my business as a taxpayer and a citizen of the USA. By the time I left the man seemed nervous and told his workers to pack it up, they were leaving for the day.

In the mountains of GA and NC is a lot of construction, no INS and the Mexicans seem real comfortable around here. They aren't getting low wages...they are being paid $15-$20 an hour, no taxes, all under the table.

Should I join the Minutemen?

Amen to building a fence because 6000 of our troops will not be able to stop the 6000 that try to cross the border every friggin night in AZ alone! And yes, it sure as hell should have been started 10 years ago.

Yes vicki, join them! Or start your own Minute Women. It's not an exclusive group.

gene, in theory that sounds like a great idea, but they know the majority of Americans are apathetic (or too stupid) and will just go with the flow instead of against the grain. It's changing, but too many fuck-o's in this country are just out for themselves at any given moment.

wanna know who is great at putting up fence around here?

I read a report today talking about how many fear that Mexico is on the verge of total chaos. Evidently, the drug lords have taken over. A deteriorating Mexico will only accelerate illegal migrant activity into the United States. Build the fucking fence!!!!!!

Mexicans can simplistically be divided into two groups: white Mexicans who are the elites, and Mestizos, who are the peons. The former control the government, industry, and much of the drug trade; the latter, who are, on the whole, short, dark, ignorant, and unskilled, are the ones who would be a problem if they stayed in the country, so they are encouraged to "emigrate" to the US. It reduces Mexico's problems while creating and exacerbating problems for us.

Paul, Mexico is starting to collapse as you and others pointed out. Want to really see chaos. Watch Hugo Chavez and that other idiot Morales. When they are through nationalizing all their industries and blackmailing their neighbors watch the exodus from those countries. Guess where their destination will be.

Vicki, that's too funny. Here's my story. I'm having an addition put on my vet clinic as I type. I know dam well most of the Mexicans working on my property are illegals. I also have two "legal" Columbians (husband and wife team) that work for me at the office. The Friday before the wetback little Mayday vacation I went outside with my Spanish speaking employees and had a little discussion with the workers. Asked them if they were going to be here Monday. They said no. Reminded them that they were behind schedule due to problems that were their responsibility. They still said no work. Told them if they didn't show up Monday, don't come back Tuesday and I'd get someone else to finish. Phone call later in day from their supervisor (Mexican that spoke perfect English). He said they were taking off Monday. I told him the same thing. He said Hank (my friend, contractor/builder) knew this. I proceeded to tell him Hank might be his boss, but I was Hanks boss and I said they better work to finish the job. He's upset. Hank calls. Hanks upset, but isn't real happy with the entire walk out thing either. I told him if I had to pay double to finish it with another crew, I would. Lo and behold, I have Mexicans working both Saturday and Sunday to finish the job so they could go marching on Monday. Even though they still got to take their day off, I at least got my point across.

Vulgorilla......You think a fence on the border is wrong?? It can be used to keep US citizens in as well as to keep illegal aliens out?? The way I see it there will be two lines of people at the fence , one going north, one going south. The long line will be headed north, the fence will stop most of them , the border patrol should be able to get the rest. If there are any US citizens in the short line headed south , so what, they gotta be criminals on the run, let Mexico deal with them. Oh by the way, the fence should be erected as a triple barrier, topped with razor wire, electronically monitored with manned observation posts placed with in eyesight of one another in urban areas & remote sensing in rural areas. This fence should be 20 feet high & stretch from the Pacific Ocean to the Texas Gulf coast with border patrol access roads along its entire length. When this is accomplished & all illegals rounded up .....then I am willing to discuss guest worker programs & legal immigration issues. I also think a review of our northern frontier with Canada is in order as we already have observed cross border traffic with remote sensing observation equipment in areas of the western portion of that border. Given the potential for terrorist infiltration to the American heartland, it is an action which demands immediate attention.

dudley1 is absolutely right. To make sure this happens, call or e-mail your senators NOW. Go to

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

to find yours. For better treatment (and a way to complain if you're treated poorly), nicely ask the name of the person you're speaking to, then tell him,
1. Build a fence;
2. Deport illegal aliens;
3. No legalization or path to citizenship for current illegals;
4. No guest worker program.

We can make it happen!

I also go with "build a wall".

Build a wall even if "A slew of high-tech gadgets such as aerial drones, seismic sensors and infrared cameras" would do the job cheaper.

I don't want any government to have the technical, organizational, and infrastructure capability to cordon off large areas effectively. Someday a tyrant want a be will get in control; I think it is pretty important that we do not put in place things that will assist the tyrant. (And yes, I realize we need to repeal/tear down a number of other things that already fit this criteria -- no reason to add more.)

Ray...good for you!

You're a vet? Good man.

In the mountain communities, I saw Mexicans working that particular Monday...they would have been fired.

The local Georgia mountain folk call the Mexicans "4-Footers." Many people won't hire companies who employ them. Political correctness is not rampant around here.

If people don't stand up and speak their piece about illegal immigration, they are compliant.

Bravo Ray! Thanks for contributing to the problem. ("I know dam well most of the Mexicans working on my property are illegals.")
You are creating a demand for illegal immigrants by paying for illegal labor. Nice work.

Yup that's me. Giving all my hard earned money to these wetbacks. But I'll challenge you to tell me how to find a contractor in Georgia that doesn't use illegal work and I PROMISE the next project I have done will use them. Good Luck. Get back with me in 4-5 years when you find one.

Want to get it done right? Just bribe the Mexican generals the way everybody else does. $10,000,000 a year and if you sell out to a higher bidder in the drug cartel we'll kill you and pay the next guy.

Just read where some RINOS blocked an amendment that would have prevented the illegals from collecting social security benefits. Of course that fucking McCain and Lindsey Graham was in the mix. Now these bastards can become citizens, go back to Mexico and collect our social security. Is this a great country or not!

Yup that's me. Giving all my hard earned money to these wetbacks. But I'll challenge you to tell me how to find a contractor in Georgia that doesn't use illegal work and I PROMISE the next project I have done will use them. Good Luck. Get back with me in 4-5 years when you find one.

Ray, you sure as hell are part of the problem. Anyone who whines about wetbacks and then pays them for work is a fucking hypocrite and is exactly why they keep crossing the border. As long as there are gringos willing to pay them for work, the wetbacks will keep streaming into the good ol' USA.

If you are willing to pay the extra money, you can find legals who will do the work. But it will take some effort on your part to do some looking and actually demand some documentation from contractors who employ beaners.

Or, you could just sit back, save your money, do no extra looking and continue to be part of the problem. Ray, people like you shouldn't be able to complain for a second about illegal immigration. You make it possible. You enable their criminal behavior. You should fucking be in jail.

Pete, I agree with you in principle but not practice. If you tell me you 1)don't shop in Walmart, Target, Ingles or any other discount store 2)Don't purchase gasoline from the larger fuel companies 3) Eat fresh produce from the convienance store 4)or patronize any place that has a lanscaping service, then you are a better person than I. If you violate any one of these 4 things, then shut the FUCK up you ignorant hippocrit. Or are you the typical idiot that says there's a difference between the illegal that do construction and those that pick your produce and load the trucks that deliver the goods you purchased at the store. You are either 1) an idiot that doesn't understand the pervasiveness of this problem in our society or 2) think it's ok for some illegals to do things and not others. Now go back under your rock and find me some brick layers and ditch diggers in the state of Georgia that are not illegals. Bet you can't.

Now now children.

If I can't buy cheap burritos after all this is said and done with with, heads are gonna roll.

Sorry. Just got worked up over something I feel is pretty much out of my control.

Read this by Robert J. Samuelson of the Washington Post.

If you tell me you 1)don't shop in Walmart, Target, Ingles or any other discount store 2)Don't purchase gasoline from the larger fuel companies 3) Eat fresh produce from the convienance store 4)or patronize any place that has a lanscaping service, then you are a better person than I. If you violate any one of these 4 things, then shut the FUCK up you ignorant hippocrit.

I don't pay money for goods or services from people who I KNOW are employing illegal aliens. It is certainly not true that every discount store and every gasoline station employ illegal aliens. Many do. And if I knew that my local Wal-Mart employed illegals, I wouldn't shop there and I'd alert the local media who inherently like anti-big-business stories. But I don't know, and I'm not going to boycott business just because many such business break the law.

Your argument appears to be that if you can't do everything, then you shouldn't do anything. In the very least, you shouldn't be knowingly putting money in the pocket of illegal aliens. You did so without shame. You should be ashamed. Would you hire men you knew to be rapists, murderers or child molesters who were on the lamb to build your vet clinic addition? No, I bet you'd do whatever it took to find someone else to do it, even if it took a lot of looking and extra money. Do you know what the legal definition of "aiding and abetting" is? Your actions certainly meet it.

Now go back under your rock and find me some brick layers and ditch diggers in the state of Georgia that are not illegals. Bet you can't.

I'm sure that a great many illegal aliens do construction in Georgia. If you think that ONLY illegal aliens do construction in Georgia, then you are a complete idiot. I don't think you are. I think you don't want to make the effort to find another contractor. It's too much work and you don't want to do the work. You want to take the easiest way and then try to justify your actions through half assed argumentation.

What you should do is take personal responsibility for following the law. You want Washington to take care of the problem so that you don't have to do anything. It is Washington's responsibility to build the fence and secure the border. It is your responsibility to not help illegal aliens by putting money into their pockets.

Simple solution......I say dig a moat and fill it with the crocs that are eating people in Florida :)

Pete-
That was fucking great! (tilt!)

The hell of it is there is an easier way..just start locking up the employers found to have hired an illegal alien. Make the penalty sufficient enough to deter hiring illegal aliens. Then make abetting the invaders a felony and cut off all social programs excepting that which is needed to save a life. No jobs, no social programs including school, and there will be no illegal aliens to speak of. maybe a mass exodus south but it will not take long until we have our country back.

GuyK - But then you'll hear the liberals screaming about the poor children and it is not their fault that their parents are here. Why punish them? Where is your sense of compassion? You know that will happen. It's happening already. It's all about the children.

Good point, Pete. Got any ideas for me on how I should handle my 2 kids in Jr High school who are a minority in their own class rooms? I am talking 6 caucasions to 20 hispanics. Most non-english speaking. This cuts into their learnng time. Oh yeah, did I forget to mention that I live in Friggin Nebraska? Should I move? To where? Or just give up? I am not quite willing to give up just yet.

Pete, Again, I agree with you except you have not given any practical ideas on how we solve the problem. Let me tell you why I say that. One, if you think the places you refer to don't hire illegals, then you are very naive. As a matter of fact, a friend of mine worked in one of Walmarts huge warehouses in Arkansas and he said Americans were the minority. He quit. That means ANYTHING you buy from Walmart you contributed to the problem. That goes for dozens and dozens of other companies out there. So essentially, anytime you buy or patronize one of these companies, you my friend, have contributed to the problem. Are you too lazy to do a check on every place you patronize to see the status of everyone that has contributed to that business? Now, let's talk about the specific issue I am dealing with. My contractor (friend/business client) is as American as they get (he wrote a great book on Lincoln-if anyone wants a link to his site,I'll post it). All of the subs that have worked at my office (so far) are as American/Caucasian as I am. The electricians, plumbers, framers and roofers were all, as far as I can tell, English speaking citizens. The masons and foundation guys are where we had the Mexicans. The foreman on both of these crews told me (I asked them) they were naturalized citizens. The crew these foremen hire, well that's where the problem is. I would be surpised if any of them were here legally. Now I have lived in this area of Georgia for 22 years. It's one of the fastest growing regions in the country. I have NEVER seen a ditch digging/slab pouring/brick laying crew EVER that had no Mexicans working. I will argue (without proof) that they most likely do not exist here in the state. The type of work is an art, a talent, and these folks are taught this at an early age. My two Columbian employees (yes Pete, they are legal, I have the papers and had to PAY a lot of money to good old Uncle Sam to hire them)tell me in South and Central America, buildings are not built with wood. It's all cement/concrete and brick. This makes these folks good at what they do. Maybe that's why there's none/hardly any Gringo's that do it. This problem is only going to be stopped when a specific ORDER of things are being done. The first order of business is to stop the supply at the border. After that, Uncle Sam needs to tax the hell out of any money leaving that is being sent my an undocumented worker. Then, as these folks leave by attrition, will the void that they leave behind be filled by (I hope) qualified Americans. And though you might want to blame folks like me for having contributed to the problem, you better look at the welfare state WE all have allowed to be created making it easier for many good for nothings to hold out their hand rather than go out and learn how to lay brick.

I have NEVER seen a ditch digging/slab pouring/brick laying crew EVER that had no Mexicans working. I will argue (without proof) that they most likely do not exist here in the state.

Have you looked for some? No, you just assume there aren't (or aren't many), so yo don't want to go through the time it takes to find the Americans or legal immigrants that do that work. Again, it is asinine to say that no legal citizens in Georgia do that work.

This problem is only going to be stopped when a specific ORDER of things are being done. The first order of business is to stop the supply at the border.

Again, why do you look to the federal government to do everything? Yes, the federal government must do its part to secure the border and stop the supply of illegal immigrants. But isn't it your duty to not be a part of the demand for illegal immigrant labor? You knowingly pay them to do work for you and you alibi and pretend they are the only people who do that work in your state. And yet you don't do a lick of work to find legal citizens to do it.

The government must do its part, but we all have to do our part as well. In the very least this means we must not commit crimes ourselves. And it is illegal to knowingly employ illegal aliens. What part of "illegal" do you not understand? Ray, tell me why is it ok for you to knowingly break the law? You complain about illegal immigrants breaking the law, but you have no problem with your own illegal actions.

Want to get peoples attention? Start arresting rich bitches who have illegals cleaning their McMansions and their husbands who hire them to do the yard work. Haul them out of their homes in handcuffs for all the neighbors to see. Jobs dry up and the illegals will have to leave. They come here for the jobs, PERIOD! Just close the damned jobs and problem solved.

"This problem is only going to be stopped when a specific ORDER of things are being done. The first order of business is to stop the supply at the border."

I disagree with this and here is why: Illegal drugs.
Drugs of all kinds are illegal and there is heavy police enforcement, but we have yet to stop the supply of drugs in this country (from within as well as imports from the South). The reason for this is demand. As long as there is demand, it will give incentive to those who supply.

Ray, you are ignoring the fundamental principal of supply and demand, if there is DEMAND, Supply will always find a way to fill it.

To eliminate the problem, you first need to eliminate Demand.

I don't disagree that the government needs to (attempt to) secure the border, but if you think that will stop the supply you are wrong.

The first step in solving this problem is to heavily punish those who hire illegal immigrants. Until we do that, we're screwed.

That's exactly right. We have to deal with both supply and demand. We have to get the illegals out of here, secure the border AND start arresting the corporations, businesses AND individuals who employ illegal aliens. Arrest the guys who run meat packing plants, arrest the fruit and vegetable growers, and arrest the people like shoe and Ray who knowingly employ illegal aliens. If you are part of the demand for illegals, then you are part of the problem. You are also breaking the law. What part of ILLEGAL do you not understand?

CAshane,

The problem is both supply and demand.

You're absolutely right that demand is important, but it can also be attacked from the supply side. A long time ago, there was a fuss in CA about how a lack of pickers would destroy the tomato industry. Lo and behold, they created oblong tomatoes that could be mechanically picked. The lack of workers forced businesses to change.

When it comes down to it, a lot of the jobs that the illegal aliens do exist because the illegal aliens are here. Get rid of them, and businesses will adapt. Our economy will adapt. There will be no crisis for us--just one for Mexico when their ignorant, superstious, unskilled masses return home.