Jesse sent me his take on the Landis doping allegations.
To reports of Landis' doping in the TDF:
Medical fact: victory causes temporarily high testosterone levels. The
French will just have to take that on trust.
The French (press) operate in the same way as pussy American leftists.
It's the accusation that counts.
Face it. Game over. The French know manly piss when they taste it.
They need to recalibrate their testing equipment. It's still set for the
yellow jersey winner with only one ball.
I think they should make the Tour a Mountain Bike race and move it to South
Lebanon. We'll see how many French show up then..
The French soccer team was composed entirely of North Africans and
Sub-Saharan Africans. I think that tells us something about Native French
Testosterone levels.
Are the French the ones who are setting the normal ranges for male
testosterone?
In that case, probably any man with cajones will have abnormally high testo
levels as the French see it.
Special Report:
Floyd Landis testicles "suspiciously large" say French officials.
In addition to the brewing scandal over the American cyclists testosterone
tests, it has emerged that several sources in France have confirmed that Mr
Landis' testes are of a disturbingly abnormal size. One doctor who did not
want to be named told us "If you look at ze genitals of a normal Frenchman,
you can see that zey is nice and small, in keeping with ze spirit of
fairness. Ze whole package can in fact be quite hard to see, often being
completely encased in a ball of pubic hairs. When one looks at the genitals
of zis American, it is obvious that we are not dealing with a sportsman in
ze true French sense of ze word".
The little berets, Gaulloises, baguettes, and the smell of burning Peugeots
in the evenings..
(with apologies to Robert Duval in Appocalypse Now)
Tha french are as close to gay as a man can get yes, but have you been to Drudge lately ( like how I capitalized Drudge but not french) ? He got busted with fake testosterone.
http://local.lancasteronline.com/6/24469
Posted by: gravdigr on August 1, 2006 11:03 PM...But they are waiting for the secondary test results to come back. If he's on the dope, it really doesn't matter to me, but it's somehow similar to the 'recount' vote(s) in Florida.
You do have a point there, gravdigr, the french are about as Nancy as it gets.
Posted by: CharlieDelta on August 1, 2006 11:17 PMA few years ago, I was walking down the street and saw a bunch of the gayest-looking guys I have ever seen. I wondered what was up with them, until I got closer and heard them--speaking German. They were just normal Germans on vacation abroad.
As fey as the Frogs are, the Germans can out-gay them any day of the week, month, or year.
Posted by: Squidley on August 2, 2006 01:46 AMSquidley-
When in highschool, I worked at SeaWorld and got shit-upon by the french on a daily basis. They thought they could cut in line and their shit didn't stink. It was a great thing that the 'tourists' didn't put up with their shit...
Too bad they got shut-down at every attempt to cut in line. Stinky fucks..., wait in line you dumb bastards!
Shamu smells better than you do frenchie...
Posted by: CharlieDelta on August 2, 2006 02:03 AMYou all see gay people everywhere, and i understand that gay is the ultimate insult for you guys...
Why is that ?
oh, by the way, you believe that Justin Gatlin (or Tim Montgomery) was tested by a french laboratory too ? The Balco Laboratory was invented by the french media ?
And american balls are so big that they secrete Synthetic Testosterone ? And why american cyclists must be treated for cancer or bad hip to win The Tour de France ? A standard athlete must be in good health, not an american one !
It seems to lot of people that America took the place of East Germany, but you must all agree with that, because your popular sports don't use a lot of drug testing.
Posted by: Prosper on August 2, 2006 03:31 AMProsper-
Wait until the results come back before you claim synthetic testes. The only gay MF's that choose to proclaim that an American cheated to beat your dumbasses are the silly (F)rench. Boo-fucking-hoo!
Sorry drunky boy :
The test examines the atomic makeup of testosterone in the urine and can determine if it is natural or synthetic.
Landis failed that test, according to a person inside the International Cycling Union with knowledge of the results. Landis’s personal doctor, Brent Kay, confirmed the finding.
source : an american newspaper, (you despise it but that doesn't matter), quoting an international organisation, not a french one. You so despise french that you think we're hidden behind every american trouble.
Question : can you express some kind of idea without claiming the other one is gay ? Did your drunken (an old habit in your family) Uncle molest you when you was young ? Do you want to talk about it ?
oh by the way, do you know Lance's record in Tour de France ?
1993 and 1994 : withdrawal
1995 : 36th
1996 : withdrawal
then cancer, then :
1999 - 2006 : overall win
You guys have the best medicine in the world...
"You so despise french that you think we're hidden behind every american trouble."
No...not really, Prosper, you're just a dumbass that happens to be french. I don't blame you for anything except for being french...
"Did your drunken (an old habit in your family) Uncle molest you when you was young ? Do you want to talk about it ?"
Can you come up with anything better than that Prospussy? The fact that I like to drink (an old habit in my family) shouldn't have any bearing in this conversation. Is it because you sip tea that you are jealous? Are you gonna be my sponsor yet? The first step is admitting that you have a french problem...
Like I said,
Wait until the results come back before you claim synthetic testes.
...dumbass!
Until then, throw your rifle down and run away Prospussy. I think your Momma is callin'.
The fact that I like to drink (an old habit in my family) shouldn't have any bearing in this conversation.
You mean... You would talk like that even if you were sober ?
Posted by: Prosper on August 2, 2006 05:15 AMYes...
Posted by: CharlieDelta on August 2, 2006 05:18 AMIt's Vicotin, Flexeril, and a twist of Budweiser to be exact, Prosper.
It's funny how you bring up my (old habit in my family) everytime when you have nowhere to run, and nowhere to hide. (typical of the french).
How's the burning buildings and the burning cars, Prosper? Are you still appeasing? Have you reconcilled with the fucko that torched your car yet?
Allah can't wait to suck you off...
Posted by: CharlieDelta on August 2, 2006 05:40 AMIt's Vicotin, Flexeril, and a twist of Budweiser to be exact, Prosper.
You could be Landis' wingman !!
Posted by: Prosper on August 2, 2006 05:45 AMLandis is gonna kick you in the tiny grapes, Nancy!
Posted by: CharlieDelta on August 2, 2006 05:51 AMHehehehehehe!
This is the first place I head to in the morning, well after I pour myself some coffee.
You definitely start my mornings with a good laugh.
This is the best therapy. I laughed my butt off reading Jesse's take on the Landis doping allegations.
Special Report:
Floyd Landis testicles "suspiciously large" say French officials.
I love it.
Tiny grapes
Fabulous CharlieDelta!
Yeah! Today is starting off right!
Sorry about the tiny grapes Prosper...
Don't be Melissa, the classic 'french lover' is better known for banana than grapes underneath... But i think you knew it, don't you ?
;-)
I've been following the article about Landis and have to admit, if he did in fact dope up with testosterone he should have to pay serious consequences. Like be banned from the sport forever. I am so sick and tired of athletes thinking it's ok and they can get away with doping up to do better. This is one of the many reasons I quite keeping up with my favorite American past time (baseball) because none of these professional sports are played by athletes anymore. Their just a bunch of glorified junkies trying to do anything possible not to get caught taking their "fix". I had mixed feeling about the Armstrong accusations. One of the drugs he was accused of taking was Epogen (erythropoiten). This is a drug that increases red blood cell counts in the body. Commonly used during and after chemotherapy (and a few other medical conditions) to help the body cope with the anemia it develops. Well I'm sure he needed after his cancer treatment. Did it make him a better athlete? Well, there's a reason why it's illegal. Sure. It increase the ability to carry oxygen therefore increase stamina. It kind of turns a person into a greyhound (they have higher red blood cell counts than other dogs, hence their excellent running ability). So although we all like to bash Prosper because he's a surrender monkey (aka French), I think if these allegations all come back true (as even his own corner seems to be agreeing with) then we need to quit supporting this guy.
Posted by: Ray on August 2, 2006 08:57 AMI do understand your position Ray, particularly with some of the professional baseball players that have reportedly fallen hard to the temptation of doping. Very disappointing.
But, I do know that Landis' physicians are checking into the possibility of medications he was taking affecting his testosterone level.
He was receiving corticosteroid shots to help alleviate the severe pain and inflammation due to the osteonecrosis that had developed in one hip. He also suffers from hyperthyroidism and was receiving treatment for that.
There is definitely a possibility that the elevated testosterone levels could have been affected particularly because of the hyperthyroid treatment, or possibly the combination of meds.
He just doesn't seem the type to do steroids knowingly. I believed him. I'll wait to see what the physicians research shows, because there is the possibility that the meds caused the elevation.
Too many variables, I'm not going to toss him to the wolves just yet.
Posted by: Melissa on August 2, 2006 10:04 AMCut the holier-than-thou crap, Prosper. Oh, wait, I forgot: you're French, so your shit doesn't stink. Let me tell you something, though: actually, your shit does stink; you only think it doesn't because you can't smell it over the stench of your unwashed bodies and clothes.
You know what a French bath is? That's what we call splashing on cologne or deodorant to cover up b.o. We only do it in a pinch, but I guess that's how you cheese-eating surrender monkeys prepare for your day. Don't forget to mix in the lovely malodor of a Gauloise or fifteen!
Also, show me how pointing out that someone looks gay is the same as denigrating gays. It's like saying someone's racist because they observed that a white boy is dressed like a gangsta. In any case, I wasn't denigrating gays; I was denigrating Krauts, you silly Frog! (CD may have a different take, though...)
Posted by: Squidley on August 2, 2006 10:04 AMYou was denigrating Germans (Krauts you said ?) by calling them gay ?
So gay is an insult, no ?
breathe...
;-)
Posted by: Prosper on August 2, 2006 10:24 AMThe origin of the internet
In ancient Israel, it came to pass that a trader by the name of Abraham
Com did take unto himself a young wife by the name of Dot.
And Dot Com was a comely woman, broad of shoulder and long of leg.
Indeed, she had been called 'Amazon Dot Com.'
And she said unto Abraham, her husband, "Why dost thou travel far from town
to town with thy goods when thou can trade without ever leaving thy tent?"
And Abraham did look at her as though she were several saddle bags short
of a camel load, but simply said, "How, dear?" And Dot replied,
"I will place drums in all the towns and drums in between to send messages
saying what you have for sale and they will reply telling you which hath
the best price. "And the sale can be made on the drums and delivery made by
Uriahs Pony Stable (UPS)."
Abraham thought long and decided he would let Dot have her way with the
drums. And the drums rang out and were an immediate success. Abraham sold
all the goods he had at the top price, without ever moving from his tent.
But this success did arouse envy. A man named Maccabia did secrete (look
it up, it means to hide) himself inside Abraham's drum and was accused of
insider trading. And the young man did take to Dot Com's trading as doth
the greedy horsefly take to camel dung. They were called Nomadic Ecclesiastical
Rich Dominican Siderites, or NERDS for short.
And lo, the land was so feverish with joy at the new riches and the
deafening sound of drums that no one noticed that the real riches were
going to the drum maker, one Brother William of Gates, who bought up every drum
company in the land. And indeed did insist on making drums that would work
only with Brother Gates' drumheads and drumsticks.
And Dot did say, "Oh, Abraham, what we have started is being taken over
by others."
And as Abraham looked out over the Bay of Ezekiel, or as it came to be
known "eBay" he said, "We need a name that reflects what we are."
And Dot replied, "Young Ambitious Hebrew Owner Operators." "YAHOO," said Abraham.
And that is how it all began. It wasn't Al Gore after all.
I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, I do recall several things... news reports about the condition of the hip joint that was causing severe pain and the hard work that the rider was doing to win.
Testosterone is a hormone like adreniline, it helps the body adapt to pain and stress.
It seems normal to produce more hormones after a month of hip pain on a bilke.
The French are just pissed about loosing again.
Posted by: Jim Macklin on August 2, 2006 10:27 AMThought maybe a little diffusion would go down well :-)
Posted by: Siany on August 2, 2006 10:28 AMDenny wrote : The French soccer team was composed entirely of North Africans and
Sub-Saharan Africans. I think that tells us something about Native French
Testosterone levels.
Denny, you'd be astonished to learn that you can have North Africans or Sub-Saharan Africans ancestors and be a native French.
And soon is gonna start the World Championship of Basketball (the real, not the one you celebrate with NBA each year).
So we're gonna examine precisely the color of the members of the American Team, just for an estimation of the WASP's Testosterone levels...
;-)
Posted by: Prosper on August 2, 2006 10:43 AMI think the French have a nice level of testosterone, that is said through personal experience. French men are sexy. :-)
Posted by: siany on August 2, 2006 10:50 AM...and that's why we have tiny balls Siany : we have so many occasions to empty them !
:-))))
Posted by: Prosper on August 2, 2006 10:57 AMProsper said: "You so despise french that you think we're hidden behind every american trouble."
Actually Prosper it's the other way around. One of the reasons I dislike France (not individual French people. I actually like you) is because your country has despised us ever since we bailed your asses out in WWII and then gave you money to rebuild glorious France. Ever since then you and your countrymen have hated us because of either envy or jealousy. You blame the United States for every problem in the world. Over the next 20 years you're gonna ignore your Moo-slime problem until it reaches critical mass and it will be too late to fix. I feel sorry for your beautiful children. You need another Charles Martel and instead you have a Jacques Chiraq.
Posted by: Denny on August 2, 2006 11:34 AMDenny, i will not argue with you about Jacques Chirac : this old looser will soon be history. It seems indeed that there is an ego problem between our two countries. We call you arrogant, you return us the compliment. We both want to be number one : you because you actually are, and don't want to give up your place, We because we used to be world leader, and we are addicted to this feeling.
No need to specify I actually like you too, and i appreciate the hospitality : but even the worst american-basher must admit this quality is typical of your fellow citizens.
Prosper - I agree. We're number one and we know it and that does breed some arrogance. At the same time, we have done more for the world than any country in history. When there is a natural disaster, we open our hearts and our pocketbooks. Not just our gummint, but our private charities as well. We Americans are very giving people and we take offense that our generousity is not appreciated.
I like to bash France, but I do not want to see it taken over by Moo-slimes. Think of Notre Dame and Sacre Coeur as mosques! Unfortunately, your country, along with most of the European Union has been converted to the religion of political correctness and seems to be unaware of the demographic time bomb that is awaiting it.
The United States also worships at the PC altar, but I think we're seeing a slow change as we see more and more of the evil that is Islam. It might take another 9/11 to drive that point home as we have the liberals in this country more concerned with gaining power than fighting the battle against Islam. We are currently fighting WWIV, but only the US and Israel (and the UK, Denmark, Australia, and some Eastern Eyuropean nations) realize that. The world better wake up quick before it is too late.
Posted by: Denny on August 2, 2006 12:21 PM"I think they should make the Tour a Mountain Bike race and move it to South
Lebanon. We'll see how many French show up then.."
Well, there would probably be new speed records set ...
Posted by: Peggy U on August 2, 2006 12:22 PMProsper,
It's not that being gay is bad. It's that dressing like an effeminate pansy is. That's my basis for making fun of those Germans. Geez, do I have to explain everything to you? ;-)
Also, you are wrong: black Africans and their descendants may have French citizenship, but they can never be French. The French are a distinct ethnic group, a nation with a particular history and culture, and not just a bunch of people who happened to be born in France and who speak French.
Do you think France would still be France if all the native French died or moved and it was populated by French-speaking Africans? How about French-speaking Chinese? French-speaking Germans?
Posted by: Squidley on August 2, 2006 12:25 PMSome time, in Yorktown, the french army save the bacon of some insurgents.
They created the french bashing.
Alike the americans with Ho Chi Min and Ben Laden, the french created their enemies.
You are a Rascally Frenchman Prosper,
The classic 'french lover' is better known for banana than grapes underneath... But i think you knew it, don't you ?
;-)
I am just an American girl. I've only left this country once and that was to present research at a convention in Vancouver. They like Americans there. Dad had been stationed once in Maine, Vancouver is very much like Maine, just beautiful.
There is not enough money in the world to get me leave this country or her territories. So, I don't know a thing about French men. Everything I could ever need or desire is in the States.
I do know that if someone needs to boast about their banana that perhaps they are displaying an insecurity concerning their banana. ;)
OK, everybody! The party's over. It's official--no more French bashing. In 2003, the restaurants et al. serving the US House of Representatives were commanded to change "French Fries" and "French Toast" into "Freedom Fries" and "Freedom Toast." Well, they have changed the names again. Signalling a new stage in Franco-American relations, the once-offending names have now become "Frog Fries" and "Frog Toast."
Posted by: Squidley on August 2, 2006 08:55 PMSquidley, I would prefer the names "Sissy Fries", and "Pansey Toast", but I digress...
Posted by: CharlieDelta on August 2, 2006 09:21 PMAnd if WE, the greatest, most powerful country in the history of the world, didn't save the cheese-eating surrender monkeys' sorry, pathetic asses in WW2, it would be "frau fries, seig heil!!!".
Yeah, yeah, I know, the frogs didn't invent french fries, but they'll soon be enjoying a bucket of IFC- Islamic Fried Chicken. Or a Big MacAllah. Or an order of mo-Ham-med and eggs. Oh wait, no pork...I still haven't been able to figure out why moo-slimes, who remove their leftover shit from asses with their hands, consider the pig to be a dirty animal...
Rob, don't forget that the Moslems revile Man's Best Friend, and treat him accordingly. Barbarians!
Posted by: Squidley on August 3, 2006 01:04 AMSquid wrote "The French are a distinct ethnic group"
You are so wrong...
Too bad you don't want to share a valid e-mail adress, we could have exchange on that.
Just to give you something to think about, i would say : Basques, Romans, Franks, Celts...
You don't know that much about history and culture, do you ?
Melissa wrote "I do know that if someone needs to boast about their banana that perhaps they are displaying an insecurity concerning their banana. ;)"
you bet I feel insecure ! If i get too excited, there remains not blood enough to irrigate my brain, and i may collapse !
That's why americans and israelis monopolized Nobel Prizes : all in the grapes, no need to divert brain's blood !
;-)
There you go again Prosper, just babbling as you usually do. It's great that you have some kids, but at the same time, it's sad that you pro-created.
Another Generation of sissy's.
Can I buy you a Zima???
Posted by: CharlieDelta on August 3, 2006 03:54 AMAnd you, Charlie, you have kids too ?
Maybe there's a one little thing in the world we could share...
(for the Zima, i'll pass : because you like drinking, i'll introduce you (not that way, you sick bastard!) to belgian trappist beers)
The French are a bunch of capitulating bastards (as me dad used to say, hee hee!!) But one of the things I like em for is protecting their "Frenchness".
Prosper, I'd almost forgotten that you've been guzzling the Kool-Aid of liberalism for so long that you can't even see the non-superficial differences between blacks and whites. Accordingly, it's only natural that you can't see any differences between the French and other sub-groupings within the larger rubric of white. I don't think it's worth anyone's time to "debate" this with you, since you refuse to acknowledge reality.
However, I will point out that Basques aren't French. Some of them live in France and speak French and have French citizenship, but they actively deny that they're French--or have you forgotten about the ETA?
One quick question: are you able to tell, more or less, what country a European is from? I'm not asking for 100% accuracy, just in general. In America, we can usually tell where someone's ancestors came from, so if you can't, I assume you must be either abnormally dense or utterly insensate.
Propser blathered,
You don't know that much about history and culture, do you ?
I know a lot more about them than you know about biology and genetics. Then again, that's not saying much, since your knowledge of these subjects seems to be non-existent.
Posted by: Squidley on August 3, 2006 01:17 PMProsper, I give you a hard time, but I acknowledge that you aren't all bad. Wife & kids: good. Belgian trappist beer: good. Sense of humor: good. Willingness to speak your mind and get shredded at GOC: good. (I'm sure there's more, but this'll do for now.)
I just hope that some day you'll wake up from your liberal stupor and see a bit more of reality than you see now.
Posted by: Squidley on August 3, 2006 01:21 PMHey,
I don't understand why we (the french) are scape-goat for you're hate.You're always refering to the past or to war in irak to justify this. But still i understand that you may not like our policy but does it give you the right to hate ALL the french? Most of us don't agree with you're policy and don't like you're president but i don't know anyone who thinks you stink or that girls don't shave their legs, it doesn't justify such insults.
If an american comes to france he will be well welcomed most of the time. And our serious medias don't insult americans. Yours sometimes lie about what's going on here "civil war due to muslim invasion" ; "riots after a World Cup game"; Oh and i once heard an american journalist say he would have prefered we had won 2012 JO so that we would have know terrorist attaks, so that some frenchmen would die? Is taht what you wish for?
Not frenchlyyours,
raphaël
If think I want a little bit tragic in my first post.
I have just seen you're France's Weekend Weather Forecast by Evelyne Déliat, we havt other presentators on our TV, like "Melissa Theuriau". type her name in google, do you think she doesn't shave her legs too?
Raphaël
Posted by: Raphaël on August 4, 2006 04:02 AMRaphael - Here is why:
1. Charles Degaulle - Consumate asshole. Didn't show one bit of gratitude for us throwing the Germans out of your country and for us rebuilding your country with our tax dollars.
2. The rest of the French who feel the same way. What the fuck did we do in the 1950's for you to hate us so much? I asked my father about that when I was 11 years old. His reply was it is human nature for someone to dislike someone he was indebted to. You started the hatred first. We responded in kind.
3. The snotty assholes who live in Paris. They are rude to Amrerican tourists. Yeah, I know, they're rude to everyone, but this is the France most Americans see. I was in Honfleur 25 years ago and all the people there were nice. Not so Paris.
4. Jacques Chiraq. Had he done nothing in the runup to the Iraq War that would have been OK. Instead he ran around the world talking people into opposing us. In my eyes, that made him, and your country, our enemy.
5. Not letting us fly over your airspace when we bombed Libya.
I could go on and on, but most of it stems from the anti-Americanism started by Degaulle and continued to this day. You want it to stop? Fine. Show us you want to be a friend of America.
We are the most generous nation on this earth and Americans are the friendliest people on this planet. I don't hate all the French. I like Prosper even though we don't see eye to eye.
If we were to ask you for help in anything, you would tell us to fuck off. If you were to ask for our help, we would be there. That is the biggest difference between our peoples and our countries.
Posted by: Denny on August 4, 2006 12:36 PMSorry everyone, but the the secondary test results fot Landis are that he was really doped, and he has just been fired by his team (phonak). I feel sorry for this sport but you cannot blame the frenchies on that one, can you?
Posted by: Raphaël on August 5, 2006 06:21 AMYes and now the dossier is in USADA's hands which is the american agency against doping. Landis has ten days to contest the results before american judges. So wait and see. But where is anti americanism in that case:
-in the past Greg Lemond has been a winner from the race, and he was a champion appreciated by french public.
-Lance Armstrong has been a seven times winner of Tour de France. Public begin to bash him in the two last competition when he was suspected of doping.
-French leader Richard Virenque has been convinced of doping and excluded from the race.
-This year, and few days before the beginning of the race, the main potential winners have been suspected in a scandal of doping in Spain and excluded from the Tour de France. Among them the great champions Ullrich (Germany)and Basso (Italy).
And now regarding our soccer team, you are very badly informed. We have only one player from North Africa, it is Zidane, and he is born in France in Marseille. Only 3 on 23 are born abroad, one in Senegal, one in Cameroun and the last one in Zaïre. Of course lots of the others are black, but they are born in France, in our Antilles Islands or French Guyana. Just like your Black americans, porto ricans, mexicans, or asians people.
And in the end don't worry about our testosterone rate, our natality rate in 2005 (13 for 1000 inhabitants)is above the one of almost all european nations (except Ireland), and almost same as yours that is 14 for 1000. Our life hope is 77 years for men and 84 for women, vs 75 and 80 in the US, so we have no special generation renewal problems at present time. We have a very good healthcare system despite all our depths, economic problems, riots, 35 hours work per week and so on. Imagine what it could be if we were the first country in the world like your, with climatisation devices, computers, technology, full employment, cleanliness, intelligent people, no muslims or black. Sure we would be great!
Sorry, I have to correct one thing in my last post. You must read Life Expectancy and not life hope. It's surely not my only mistake but my english is not very good. One thing to add to our failings.
Posted by: Phil on August 5, 2006 10:23 AMPhil - Does that birth rate include your Moo-slime population? They are outbreeding you, you know. The birthrate of non-Moo-slimes in most EU countries is declining, while you are importing more and more Moo-slimes who are outbreeeding you. I know you feel oh so superior with your 35 hour work week and your generous social programs, but it is a fact that your economy is having a hard time supporting your social welfare state as it is throughout the EU. Plus, your employer mandates are what has lead to your high unemployment rate which is twice that of the US. Your growth is less than half of that of the US. I'm not trying to bash you here, I'm just stating facts.
Check back with me in ten years and we'll compare countries again. I don't want to see France and Germany go down the tubes, but globalization is kicking you in the ass, and you have a demographic time bomb with your Moo-slime population.
By the way, our life expectancy figures are skewed by our inner cities where we essentially have black ghettos (Thanks to the Dimocrat Party and their social welfare state. You'll have the same problems with your Moo-slimes in the future) with their high crime and drug wars (Thanks Dimocrats and Republicans for your insane War on Drugs. You think they would have learned sumpin' from Prohibition, but Europe didn't learn anything from the 1930's so I'm not surprised). Eliminate that and our life expectancy figures would be right up there with the rest of the world.
Don't worry about your English language skills. The fact that you know enough English to comment on this site impresses me.
Posted by: Denny on August 5, 2006 12:11 PMProsper Duck!!!!!!
You consider yourself a new deal Frenchman.......but given the opportunity to bash an American, you could not resist.
It would be nice if a frenchman could ever win the "Tour de France" but while I understand the French adulation for a yellow shirt (Coward) you will have to realize it is very hard to ride let alone control your bicycle with your hands in the air anytime you are nearing the German border.
Cultural imbred national traits are so very hard to overcome.
Posted by: dudley1 on August 5, 2006 12:56 PMOf course your life expectancy is closer than french one if you except black ghettos. But also take in account we don't eliminate our black and muslim community from our own life expectancy. So!
And sorry, but I think you make a mistake when you announce that muslims are a demographic time bomb in France. For two reasons:
-the fecondity rate for the immigrants women in France has nothing to do with what it is in their aboriginal country and it's going closer to french aboriginal's one. 2,8 for North African or African women and 1,9 for French.
-and then you consider the supposed religion of these immigrants and their will to impose their faith their sharia to French.
I think you make the mistake because you consider religion in France as you consider it in the States. In fact that is nothing to do. France is a laïc country. Faith and religion at home and republican laws everywhere else. And you must know that very few French people are practicing religion (even those who are supposed to be muslims). Only 16% all religions included. More than 25% are atheist. The rest refers to its family religion membership. Muslims have very few cultual places. They have prayer rooms, but less than 50 real mosques. Compare to the 39000 catholic churches, the 1100 protestant churches and the 300 synagogues, we could even say it's unjust for them. But the law from 1905 tells that no public money can be used to pay for religious private buildings. That's why in France most of the churches are State property. And another law restrict considerabily the possibility to receve funds from foreign States, associations or privates to build religious places. Each one has rights to practice his own religion, but it must not intervene into politics, schools (except private one's), army, administrations, in fact all the public life. That's why scarves or burqas, or any religious marks are not tolerated in school or for people working in admnistrations, army and so on.
So do you really believe a few extremists among muslims can impose to 60 millions French the way they must live and the religious rules they must follow. Are you joking?
Sadly Phil, I am not joking, I'm also sorry that you do not see the seriousness of your situation. You also didn't see the seriousness of the situation in the 1930's either. Yes, the French people are secular. In the United States, despite what you may hear about us in your media, our gummint is also secular. George Bush is not a raging theocrat. The Moo-slimes on the other hand are theocrats and they want to impose their religion on you. It's already beginning with the headscarf bullshit that went on last year. They are outbreeding you just as they are outbreeding the Swedes. Besides that their numbers are growing due to their immigration. If you choose to ignore the problem, fine. I will be dead when when it happens, but if alive I would mourn the loss of France. As much as I bash you guys, you are at least somewhat civilized. The Moo-slimes are not.
Posted by: Denny on August 5, 2006 07:19 PMDenny, I don't need french media to know a little of what's life in your country. I often read your medias or watch your TV channels (CNN in example). I often go on Fox News internet site (despite it is not my cap of tea)to know how they treat the information and compare with how it is treated by french media. I read almost every day J Gibson's "That's my word", and it gives me the tendency of what the right of the right think in your country.
I've been 3 times in the States, but I agree it's not in few weeks you can make yourself an idea. My daughter spent a year in a floridan high-school, and have a better approch of the american way of life. And I have also many good american friends living here in France, and we always have long discussions on the difference between your and our way of life and perceptions of each others on both sides of atlantic. Even if I agree with you on the fact we have some theocrats (but you have some too), most of north african or african people born in France, are living accordingly the european way of life and are not theocrats.
Phil, you claim that there's no religion problem in France. What about the rioting in October and November last year? The rioters were not native French; they were not other native Europeans; they were not Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, or even atheists: they were black Moslems. Lots of PC "reasons" have been given for their rioting, but it boils down to two things: the presence of a huge population of unassimilated, inherently unassimilable aliens who are incapable of maintaining a level of civilization anywhere near our own, and the refusal of the authorities to crack down on those who would throw the state into anarchy.
Notice also the "copycat" rioting in Belgium, Germany, Holland, Spain, and Switzerland.
You're deluding yourself if you think that Islam isn't a problem, not only in France, but for the entire world.
Posted by: Squidley on August 6, 2006 04:02 PMDespite this "problem", it appears that french situation is far better than the american one, when we consider Life Expectancy or some other facts( Murder, Robbery or Rape per capita).
Does this mean our muslim problem is less serious than your black one ?
Are you afraid black people will outbreed you ? (i suppose their fecondity rate is higher).
Prosper, in America, not only are blacks seven times more likely to commit murder than whites, they are six times more likely to be murdered (statistics from the Department of Justice). Again, remove their statistics from the whole, and once again, the US looks a lot better, both for crime rates and life expectancy.
The problematic group outbreeding everyone else in America is not the blacks, who at least are here legitimately, but Hispanics, many of whom are here illegally. They have higher teen pregnancy rates than any other group, and while white Hispanics are generally intelligent and responsible, they're not they ones we're getting en masse. Most of our new Hispanics (an artificial "group" if ever there were one: all that connects them is language) are Mexicans, who have the some of the lowest rates of education, economic achievement, and assimilation of any group in America. Go here for a brief analysis based on the 2000 US census. It has links to the raw data, and to a fuller discussion of the analysis as well.
Facts, Prosper, not wishful thinking, opinions, or liberal gibberish.
Posted by: Squidley on August 8, 2006 02:06 AMI enjoy your so non racist "blacks, who at least are here legitimately".
;-)
One of the numerous differences between you and me, Squid : I think all my fellow citizens are equal, despite their skin's color, their religion or their parents nationality.
So you'd rather prefer talk about the WASP's life expectancy. But it's hard to remove the non-white part of your GNP or your amed forces, isn't it?
I red that if current immigration trends continue, the number of non-Hispanic whites is expected to be reduced to a plurality by 2040-2050 in your country.
Prosper - Fortunately for us, our Mexican immigrants do not want to kill us. Your Moo-slimes do. If (and it's a big if) we can do a better job of copntrolling the influx, our Mexicans will assimilate. Your Moo-slimes never will. Remember, a Moo-slime is a Moo-slime first, a Frenchman second. To a Moo-slime Islam's laws take precedence over secular laws. I know that doesn't conform to your PC multiculturist views, but it is the truth and as the years go by it will eventually be hammered into your head. All races are not equal and all cultures are not equal.
Posted by: Denny on August 8, 2006 11:34 AMProsper, maybe you don't think it's a problem that one group in a society is hugely, disproportionately responsible for murder, but I do. Did you realize that in the US, the absolute number of black murderers is larger than the number of white murderers? Did you know that it's been that way for the past twenty years? Blacks are a mere 12% of the population, but out-kill the 70%+ who are white. The criminality of blacks is an enormous social problem. But they are our problem. I don't want it exacerbated by the additional problems brought by illegal aliens, who actually make life worse for American blacks. How? They will work for far less than is legal, thus depriving my fellow citizens of jobs.
I'm glad you think that everyone's "equal," Prosper. Too bad they don't. A wee quote:
The Arabs do not believe in the equality of man. Liberalism is not a universal philosophy for all of humanity. Liberals who support mass immigration are supporting suicide of their own culture. If I could separate myself and other non-liberals from them I would. But I'm stuck going down with them and I heavily resent them for doing this to the rest of us.
Let me introduce an important distinction to you: procedural equality versus substansive equality. The former means everyone has the same rights and responsibilities under the law, and that's what I believe in. Equal rights for all; special rights for none.
However, substansive equality is the demonstably-false belief that everyone is the same, that we all have the same abilities and qualities. Can everyone perform to the levels of Michael Jordan, Elton John, or Albert Einstein? Absolutely not! However, liberals believe this lie, and it warps their worldview.
Prosper, when are you going to realize that people can have equal rights and yet be inequal in substance?
Posted by: Squidley on August 8, 2006 12:54 PMDenny, the sad fact is that the Mexicans and other South Americans flowing freely into this country are not only unintelligent and uneducated, they are also highly criminal. The crimes they commit most are DUI, welfare and other social service fraud, drug offenses, rape, child molestation, and murder. Half of the prison gang Nuestra Familia ("our family"), based in Salinas, Mexifornia, is comprised of illegal Mexicans. John Steinbeck, bless his socialist soul, would be spinning in his grave if he knew how his hometown had become a Latin American hellhole, chock-full of people who don't want to do legal, "honorable" work.
I seriously doubt that the third-world primitives who are flocking here will ever be anything more than a permanent underclass. We need to send them back to where they came from.
But you're spot-on when it comes to Moslems. To a Moslem, a passport is a tool, not a symbol of loyalty or belonging. The only thing they belong to is the umma, the brotherhood of Moslems.
Posted by: Squidley on August 8, 2006 12:55 PMOne other thing about the Mexicans: they are not assimilating very well at all. Here in Mexifornia, there are far too many places where you can get by just fine with Spanish but no English. Some places won't hire monolingual English speakers. Spanish ads, Spanish radio, Spanish TV, but no Spanish newspapers--I guess they don't read. Furthermore, even at the third generation(!), only 80% of Americans of Mexican descent speak English at home. (In contrast, my immigrant forebears used English from the first generation. That's the way it used to be: people came here to be Americans.)
What's more, there are radical organizations like La Raza and MEChA, which exist to "reclaim" parts of the southwest--California, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada--that they think are "theirs." They don't want to assimilate; they want to enlarge Mexico at the expense of the US. They're frighteningly successful, but only because we're letting them do it. If we as a nation, as a people, had the ability to recognize ourselves as such, we would soon find the guts to protect ourselves. As it is, with the suicidal liberals running the show, we don't have a chance. The only thing that gives me hope is courageous leaders like Tom Tancredo, and like-minded people elsewhere in the country.
Posted by: Squidley on August 8, 2006 06:50 PM