"...Barack Hussein Obama Yo Mamma..."

That struck me as so fcking hysterical.

Nice.

Help me please!!!
I'm stuk in Ill-in-Noise, where every day is another adventure in the Obamanation.

As you say:

"Wow"!

I hardly know where to begin! Are you saying that Candidate for POTUS Obama is to be held accountable for his 'blackness' (or lack thereof)? I'm sure he didn't have a choice in it.

And doesn't that fly-in-the-face of your oft-stated credo that making intelligent choices is what makes one successful? On that basis alone, I would think that you would be the biggest supporter of Mr. Obama. Certainly, he is almost the very poster-child for those who made bad choices early on and then set out to successfully rectify same!

Which is why his message is so appealing to so many.

Call it what you will, but "ObamaMania" is not going to go away any time soon by any stretch of the imagination; indeed, Barack Obama is GWB the way GWB had hoped he might have been.

Trying to tie 'Swimmer' to Obama is an exercise in futility; in fact, Barack Obama is YOUR best hope of someone standing up point-blank to the drunken Teddy and telling him in no uncertain terms to get the fuck OUT of politics altogether! He is unique in his ability on this point. He would by listened to by Sen. Kennedy ... who just might grumble & 'Hrrumpf!' a bit before taking the good advice offered. After all, drunks don't so much want to be listened to as to first ensure a steady supply of future-drinks, right? And what better way for Ted to bow out?

As to Hillary/Barack, yes, -they will have to work out amongst themselves who is to be dog & who is to be cat, but I ASSURE YOU: they will not destroy the entire Party just to elevate one at the expense of the larger Dream. Both of them are highly-intelligent and have fine-antenna for the good greater than themselves.

So what's it going to be?

According to me, it's President Obama and Vice-President Clinton ... until some nutjob takes it upon themself to elevate Hillary by using the same time-honored loser-methods that stopped RFK.

And, no, it won't be some Clinton-operative that does the deed; As I say: it will be some nutjob who kills off the last best hope for the American Experiment. I can assure you it won't be me.

Y'all misnamed him. His real name is Abu Obama, which translates to "Obama the jihadist"

If Obama ever becomes a real threat, the Clinton machine will make him where his own mama won't like him.

Hey teddy, how about another one? You are so out of your gord that you don't even know WTF you are saying, much less what you mean to say.

Who honestly gives a crap if Obama, I mean Osama, I mean Obama is "black" or not? I'm more concerned if some sheethead with a liberal following is going to flush this Country down the crapper like they continue to do in Europe.

As far as Debra Dick-them-some is concerned, she can continue her diatribe about how "we are not the same", but she is just another example of hypocricy at it's finest!

Hey Debra-
You're the reason racism still exists. I hope you're proud of yourself.

OH!

I almost forgot this one:

"Wasted lives. Just like a Dimocrat. Like he really gives a flying fuck about the military. He's a Dimocrat. They hate the military."

Suppose, just suppose, that I was of the 'Dimocratic'-persuasion; are you suggesting & implying that, my Service notwithstanding, that I 'hate the military' based on my political-outlook??

Does that carry-over to every Man & Woman in Uniform today, in places such as Iraq & Afghanistan, who happen to vote 'Dimocrat' every once-in-awhile?

Den, you've used too broad of a brush in painting this picture.

DanS.-
I would never question your service, your combat experience, or your Patriotism, but I have to know one thing...

...Why is it that you speak for the Soldiers with boots on the ground in today's force? Let them speak for themselves. Take their word on their word. It's the next generation of ass-kickers and name-takers, and no one, but themselves should speak for those badasses! They will dispute any LSM "report" cited at any given time! Any.

I was still a kid crappin' myself while you were in The Nam. I have never been one to belittle your service, nor will I ever be. That's for the dems to do.

To make a long story longer, my whole point was to ask you to not speak for the current Warrior at hand. They speak for themselves everytime they get up.

CD:

I never said they didn't! In fact, that was my entire point!

I don't think I spoke for anyone but myself in my post(s); hence, I AGREE with you that any-given service-person is to be allowed to be a 'Dimocrat' or otherwise without being assigned the role of 'hating the military'.

It occurs to me that perhaps one LARGE difference between Liberals & Conservatives is but the question of "What is Art?"

Is 'paint-by-numbers' inferior to flinging haphazard paint against a canvas? Which 'camp' does the 'Dim' belong to? Does that automatically assign the 'other' to the opposite-camp?

It's that E-Z categorizing of the 'other' that always gets my goat. It's just too simplistic.

For the Record: I support the Troops in ways many would only wish for! I also think this is currently a War that did not have to happen.

I'd even go so far as to say that perhaps I'm wrong on that; -but even if it DID have to occur, the Bozo-in-Charge hasn't got a CLUE of insight such as me, a lowly peasant of the Realm, has.

Anyway, I ALWAYS look forward to YOU & your HONEST-voice!

No one who by their nature will ever put anyone before themselves can face the military.

People who by their nature will risk themselves for others scare the crap out of them.

One should listen to Teddy The Swimmer introducing Obama at some lib gathering. I heard it on Rush. He introduced him as Osama Bama, Bama Osama or something similar. It was a hoot.

Well Dan, lots of wars didn't have to happen. If Hitler wasn't intent on creating a master race and destroying all others, that war wouldn't have had to happen. If England quit taxing without representation, that war wouldn't have had to happen. And the list is long. The problem is, because of the actions of THE ENEMY, these wars ultimately do happen. You do realize who the enemy is don't you? It's anyone that is a member of the cult of Islam. This is where lefties like you don't "get it". You don't know who your enemy is, so you don't realize the importance in fighting them. But take comfort, conservatives will be there to make the correct decisions so you have the freedoms you do to criticize, mock and disagree with what is right.

I can't wait for Obama's Presidential campaign to go the way of 8-Track Tapes, the AMC Pacer, and New Coke. I'm surprised that Hillary (Who can scare a lesbian straight) hasn't yet had her crew open the trap door on him yet.

Dan - You totally missed many of my points.

1. I was not trying to tie Swimmer to Obama. I posted that to show what an addled old fool Swimmer has become.

2. I was ridiculing Debra Dickerson for her contention that Obama was not black. Of course he's black. This African-American bullshit is just that. Bullshit! It's people like Dickerson who are doing everything in their power to keep blacks out of the mainstream. She is an idiot and Colbert exposed her as one.

3. Yes I was painting with a broad brush when I said Dimocrats hate the military. Not all of them do, but their base and their elected leaders like Nancy Pelosi do. I know Hillary, like her husband, despises the military. Look what happens every time the Dims get power. Cuts in military spending to support their disasterous social programs that seldom work. That's OK. They mean well.

4. I fully believe that Obama is a flash in the pan just like Howard Dean. Four years ago, Dean was touted as the next Dimocrat presidential candidate. There was Deanomania. What happened?

Ray if the American Colonies had contributed to their own defence force that war didn't need to happen.

If you hadn't gotten all hysterical about a tax that no ever paid - same thing.

And if more than 5% had bothered to show up you wouldn't have needed to play on both teams just to keep it going.

Alternately if you'd ignored the English like the rest of us colonials they would have just gone away after a while and you get to keep the crown on your regimentals and not get all girly and giggly when a prince visits.

Hell, Obama is just another pretty face. Anyone who takes him seriously is a fool or worse. A term or two in the state legislature and two years in the Senate is not a resume that inspires much confidence. He is going to get Rove'd even if Carl has nothing to do with it. Sa my grad daddy used to say, "That dog won't hunt" When he falls by the wayside I hope he just goes away.

Murray: scale back a bit on the sauce. Ask me how I know.

Roger:
Obama is not running based on his resume.
Quite the opposite.

"He is going to get Rove'd even if C(K)arl has nothing to do with it."

Well, now; THAT's a very-clear statement about how the real-live ISSUES are to be dealt with!

Thank you for your candor!

Denny:

You didn't address this point:

And doesn't that fly-in-the-face of your oft-stated credo that making intelligent choices is what makes one successful? On that basis alone, I would think that you would be the biggest supporter of Mr. Obama. Certainly, he is almost the very poster-child for those who made bad choices early on and then set out to successfully rectify same!

Which is why his message is so appealing to so many.

Murray, WTF dude? So your philosophy, when someone threatens your way of life is to ignore it/them. Well welcome to the liberal mental disease state. Thank God (and I'm agnostic), my forefathers had the sense to "fight for what they believe in" and kicked some English ass (when it was necessary), German, Japanese, Mexican, Spanish, French etc. whenever we felt it necessary. Had that not happened, I wouldn't currently be living in the greatest country on earth right now.
"get to keep the crown on your regimentals and not get all girly and giggly when a prince visits." I'm not sure what the hell this means.

Ray you're a funny funny man.

The British crown no more threatened the way of life in the colonies than Kerry threatened to grow a pair.

To those of us not brought up on a diet of Disney and egocentric history the AWI is a complete mystery.

Up until the Guards played Stars & Stripes outside Mrs Windsors house the vilification of anything with a Union Jack was pretty much an industry for you guys.

The AWI was not popular, it was not well attended and was grossly misrepresented. Colonials made up the bulk of the participants and contributed a lot of loyalist regiments to the fray.

Paul Revere was a propagandist of the worst kind and Ben Franklin spied for the Crown. Some harsh realities that you're blind to.

You're mythology has turned it into some kind of holy crusade that it wasn't.

By and large it could be said it was completely unnecessary. As for that "English ass" you kicked it was your capital that went up in flames, not theirs. Most of them were Scots, Irish, German and pretty much the same people you are and you needed the French to help you out with it. What a bloody waste.

If you're default setting is war you need help. If you're default setting is never to fight then you're beyond help and nature will see you off in due course.

Now as to who's ancestors put up or shut up my grandfather, father and myself have 63 year of military service spanning 5 wars two emergencies and couple of "police actions". My grandfather was getting shot at for a year and a half before you guys were nudged into that one. His father was in mud for three years before you lot showed up. My father was with you in Viet Nam when not a single Brit could be seen and everyone of his mates was a volunteer.

My great great grandfathers civil war lasted 6 times the length of yours. His son took his own horses and rifle to South Africa when he was invited to join in that one.

So do I feel the need to have you second guess my personal "philosophy" and familys commitment to the world based on me having kicked your sacred cow?

Not really thanks.

Murry.....

Your recollection of AWI does not meet with the truth.
1.The British did threaten the American colonies in that they imposed unfair taxation at their expense to the benefit of the crown ,they did attempt to superimpose British control over the colonial system & deny basic rights to the colonials over wide ranging social,economic & personal concerns.
2.you are correct the AWI was not initially popular, in fact the original issue was not a war of independance but a redress of offenses & recognition for colonial self government. To this if the AWI was not as you say & I agree wildly popular........vilification for the Union Jack could not have been pretty much of an industry.
3.The colonials made up the bulk of the participants & contributed a lot of loyalist regiments to the fray .......first who would you expect to have made up the bulk "the Chinese?" Second if as we agree the AWI was not Initially popular ,it would be expected for there to be colonial participation on both sides.
4. Until the British chose to intervene in force it was assumed an accomodation would have taken place. This interventation with the subsequent imposition of oppressive British regulation is what solidified the conflict to be a war of independance. It was the American victories over the British forces which included Hessian`s which brought a victory for Independance.
5. If the British found it appropriate for the use of foreign mercenaries ...What was wrong for the continental colonials to do the same by enlisting support from France?
6.Paul Revere a propagandist, so what? How else are you to incite the revolt & motivate the populance. Ben Franklin a spy for the British? This is a stretch after hostilities commenced, before then ,well almost all colonials were of Britsh descent & had loyalty to England first.
7. Our Capital went up in flames? I think you have your wars confused, we did not have a capital until after independance though at different times we used New York & Philadelphia. It was the war of 1812 when the British burned Washington DC.
8. Our Mythology is what we refer to as patriotism not mythology, we earned our independance through what evolved to a war of independance from British oppression to what had been loyal subjects of the crown. If England had recognized the importance of the colonies in America, there never would have a war of independance.
9. I`ll not question the courage of the British fighting men down through the year`s, what I do feel neccessary to point out is the reluctance or inability of the British parliment to recognize enemies for who they are or what needs to be done. This is the reason we put aside old issues & came to your aid in WW1 &WW2 as well supported much of your other colonial adventures & actions like the Falklands. I will also acknowledge that ones head placed squarely in the middle of one`s own ass is not just a British trait ...much of our American voter base as well as the dimocratic party are similarly afficted.
10. I do not attempt to second guess you or your philosophy, I still consider you to be our longest & best allied power. I think this is only natural as we share a common heritage. Don`t you?

Dan - I'm against Obama because he is a liberal socialist. He also, his apologies notwithstanding, showed the disdain the left has for our military. That's why I made him AOTW. I'm trying to understand where you get the idea that he was somehow brought up underprivileged. His father was not a goatherder. He was actually wealthy, as was his grandfather. By your reasoning I should like Bill Clinton because he was white trash made good.

Dudley - I believe Murray is from New Zealand and not the UK.

Den:

It's not MY reasoning ... it's your's that I'm commenting on.

I'm not challenging you per se; I'm just trying to get a solid-grip on what you've said in the past & reconcile it with the AOTW-award re Barack Obama.

Anyone who, in my life-experience, found it incumbent upon themselves to experiment with heroin, is a loser from that moment on. I didn't imply that Obama was a Duval Henry (Mass. Gov.) {another South Side Chicago Boy Made Good!} who truly did grow up in poverty-most-abject.

What I thought I said was that Barack made very bad choices early-on and stopped, assessed, made a decision & is now on his right-road.

It is within that context that I thought you'd be a cheerleader for him ... and yes, Bill Clinton! With one vital exception:

Clinton overcame his background, reached a pinnacle, ... and threw it all away. My comment, then, was one in hope of you supporting Obama not repeating Bill's silly-mistake.

Bottom-line:
Why should Obama even try to reach out and attempt to do well by & for ALL American's if he's condemned before he even starts? That's the logic that just doesn't make sense to me.

Here's my logic. He's an anti-American, military hating, socialist. How's that? Kweisi Mfumi turned his life around too. He's a bigoted white hating socialist. Get my point? I don't like socialists. I don't care how they've turned their lives around.

Ray wrote : "my forefathers had the sense to "fight for what they believe in" and kicked some English ass (when it was necessary), German, Japanese, Mexican, Spanish, French etc."

Our both nations think they actually light up the entire world but that never lead them to settle this on battlefield.

Yeah, but my nation is 1)the most powerful on earth 2) the most prosperous on earth and 3) the most free on earth. So we win, everyone else loses. To the victor goes the spoils and a handful of other cliches. It's called patriotism. Get used to it, we here in the good old USA are going to have a resurgence of it (at least that's what I'm hoping for, but won't hold my breath).