"the sacred Geneva Convention..." ?

Sez who? Abu Antonio Gonzalez?

"silent"? Are you kidding?

Den, I've been here long enough to think I might do for you the favor the "loyal Bushies" did not do for the President when they had their chances from 2000 all the way until today:

That would be to tell you that you have been mis-informed, lied to, and fed a steady diet of Kool-Aid Jello. This is not my opinion and I'm not off my med's

Read Bremer's book; read Colin Powell. Read Rumsfeld or Jay Garner or Tenet. READ WHAT THE PARTICIPANTS THEMSELVES SAY!!!

You say I'm an old-man disgruntled Vet and yet: I BEG YOU! READ what THEY have to say! These are the authors of the policies that YOU are defending & quoting and yet every single one of them say:

"President Denny, we told you what we thought you wanted to hear. We knew it had no basis in fact or reality; ... but we wanted to please you. The facts show that we lost this war before it began."

DanS, you're friggin sick!! You belong in France!

I'm sick because I ask you to read what they say???

How did you work out THAT equation???

Alan-
Is that all you have? An insult without something to back you up with? At least an arguement of somekind to back up your position? No?

Have some respect for a Veteran, man.

I've been wondering whether or not the Iranian government really has control of the sailors...or could they just be using their disappearance to try to get something.....and even if they got it...they couldn't do dipshit about actually getting the good sailors free..

I do not trust the Iranians at all. I would take NOTHING they say as the truth.

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I have very much respect for a Viet Nam vet, but that doesn't give them the right to spew forth bullshit. Nam was tough. My grandson has done three tours in Iraq. That's tough also. He's not whinning and sniveling. He wants to go back again. Catch a difference?

Yeah, I "catch" the difference, Al. Thanks for clarifying that one for me. It's crystal.

Actually, no, I don't "catch" that one at all Al, when you say, "it doesn't give them the right to spew forth bullshit".

Please explain that one...

Great Britain say its sailors were on iraqi's side. Iran say they were on iranian's side. Problem is, GB and US have no more international credibility. Remember, Tony Blair said Saddam could launch a chemical attack in 15 minutes. And flex muscles for what? You cannot even deal with a bunch of terrorists in Iraq.
Anyway, I hope my country will support GB in any action they would think necessary. No matter what Tony Blair did wrong with Iraq.

Prosper-
I would be surprised if your country supported GWB on anything.

GMAFB on the international credibility speal. That record is broken and tiresome.

Long time, no read. Where you been?

So, DanS, we came to Iraq based on lies? Funny, because between my own experiences and the guys that I know who came here before me, there's more than enough evidence to convince me we were right to come here. How would you like the fight to have been taken to American soil, a horror we haven't known in any meaningful way in 150 years? We are a symbol of all that is evil to a whole region of the world and you want to just kick back and give them time to prepare an attack on us? Yeah, good idea.

And I'm also confused how we lost this war before it began. I don't see a whole hell of a lot of airplanes being crashed, subways bombed, schools taken over, or any other terrorist acts going down in the states. As far as I'm concerned, this was a win. Oh, and about those WMDs that don't exist--last month I spent a week guarding a whole cache of chemical munitions.

Can't deal with a bunch of terrorists? Who do you suppose we have to thank for that? The bleeding hearts that hamstring our military into ROEs so fucked up that most Infantrymen expect to get hung when they kill someone. The military commanders themselves, much of the time, for being so afraid of the media and political fallout of losing soldiers that they will literally stop patrols and let the IA and IPs get shredded in our place rather than kill the enemy. The list goes on.

But wait, maybe you'd rather we pull out and just let the terrorists move on to Europe and North America where they can kill the soft civilian infidels--the ones without teeth to bite back. I'll stay in Iraq as long as it takes--and move into Iran next gladly--to spare my family and friends the worry of another attack on American soil.

This is not intended in any way as a personal attack, but maybe it's best to practice what you preach--listen to the participants.

PFC Famine - 11B, US Army

Hello CD...
Unfortunately I lost my mom 2 weeks ago. She was 58, breast cancer... It took me some days to emerge...

oh by the way, I was talking of supporting Great Britain, not George Bush.

Prosper......

You & your family have my deepest sympathy, to lose any family member is a terrible loss but a mother is special. My mother also passed on from cancer & I know the heartache you feel. Your mom will be in my prayers.

Take care & god bless
Dudley1

Thanks dudley, I appreciate that...

Denny, the rags did not Capture anyone, they Kidnapped them at gunpoint, same as they did in '04.
Time was, we had a response to this kind of thing, usually involving taking, burning, sinking or destroying the enemies shipping and blockading their ports.

"Problem is, GB and US have no more international credibility"

Proof please!!

Austin Bay explains the difference between the Brit hostage taking and the 1979 Jimmy Carter hostage crisis.

Ralph Peters says the Brits can thank Nancy Pelosi and the Dems for emboldening the Iranians with their "Contract With Al Qaeda."

Prosper: My sincere condolences on your great loss.

Elizabeth
Imperial Keeper

Sorry to hear of your loss Prosper.

Shamalamadingdong better be glad Maggie Thatcher is not in charge. She would unleash whatever the brits got to either get them back or kill large scores of the Iranians responsible. Bush needs to do whatever he can now to help Tony Blair. The old boy has stood by us 100%, even to his detriment. Pip pip old boy, shall we hit Qum with a thermo-nuclear device? Smashing, Tally-ho...

Famine -

Thank you for posting the truth as we all know it, and for continuing to fight for our country. We will do our best at home to combat the jackasses in Congress and the damned liberals who are giving away our victory to the terrorists.

Prayers being said for your safe return.

Prosper - Sorry about your loss.

well, i'm with Denny on this one. but of course nancy is the new prexy, and she has a new dress and that's most important right now.
and hey, Famine, thank you.

Shit Prosper! Sorry to hear about that. I can't even imagine the loss you must feel. My thoughts and prayers are with you man. Hang in there.

When you wrote "GB", I just assumed you were referring to George Bush. My bad.

DanS - Sorry, I didn't know Rumsfeld had a book. As for the others, Bremer was totally incompetent as was Tenet. Tenet should have been fired when Bush entered office. One of his biggest mistakes was in not cleaning house at the CIA and at State. Powell was against the war from the start so he has an axe to grind but of all the people you cited, in my eyes he would be the one with the most credibility. The biggest problem was a lack of a viable plan after overthrowing Saddam. In that respect Powell was right when he told GWB, "You break it, you own it." I think everyone was surprised that it took only three weeks to get to Baghdad.

Now let's not forget, that everyone thought Saddam had WMD's. Go as far back as 1998 and the Dims were saying that he was a danger and they were calling for regime change. But this war was not only fought for WMD's. And Bush did not lie. Was he lying when he said those infamous 16 words? No. He stated that British intelligence had told him. That's only a lie if the Brits didn't tell him.

There were many other reasons to overthrow Saddam. He was supporting terrorism by supporting the Palestinians. He gave $25k to families of suicide bombers. He was murdering his own people. Yeah, I'll admit we have fucked up in Iraq. That doesn't mean we should cut and run now. We fucked up at the Battle of the Bulge. Should we have come home then?

Aw fuck it! You don't want us to beat al Qaeda anyway. Peace at any cost. Fortunately, you and I will be dead when we will have to fight the really bloody war against Islamofascism but we will have to fight it. Sometimes smaller wars are necessary to prevent bigger wars. If you had lived in France and Germany in the 30's you would have been all for appeasing Hitler. We could have saved a lot of lives if France and England had stepped up to the plate when Hitler marched into the Rhineland.

Historians will look back on our surrender in Iraq and wonder why we didn't win a winnable war. People like Pelosi and Reid will be compared to Neville Chamberlain. They'll also wonder why we allowed Iran to get nukes. Oh well, at least the nuclear winter will stop global warming.

international credibility. That is a ketchup boy phrase..what does it mean and who has it. I guess it means that if you (a country) claim it, then you are believed by the international community. Ok, who has it ...nooone. If France says something do we and GB believe it? no. If North korea says something does anyone believe it? only dimocrats. If USSR says it is it belived? by france maybe. International credibility = a bowl of warm air. It is nothing. quit saying it.

patrick - Yep. You nailed it. International credibility means about as much as international law. And there is only one country on the planet who could actually enforce international law. USA! USA! USA!

So let me get this straight. There are commenters on this post that are defending the Iranian mullahs who:

1. Went 1.7 miles INTO Iraqui waters and seized a British crew of 15 and took them back to their repressive country where they are now holding them hostage in direct contravention of international law.

2. In order to achieve the release of these illegally taken hostages, the Iranians are insisting that Britain apologize for something they DID NOT DO.

3. Meanwhile, these selfsame mullahs - and their certifiable President Ahmadinejad (he who was part of the taking of the American Embassy hostages during Jimmy Carter's embarrassment of a presidency) - are threatening to use NUCLEAR weapons on both Israel and the United States.

And you sock puppets are DEFENDING THEM? Get back on your meds people.

Dear Lord - no wonder the world is so screwed up when there are people who cannot see reality when it bites them on their noses.

Yes Gayle, welcome to the real world where the writing on the wall couldn't be any more clear than you wrote, and people still look for some surrender monkey way out of facing the inevitable. IF we had confronted Iran in the 70's under Peanut boy things may have been so different now that 1) 9/11 probably wouldn't have occured 2) The Cole, Kobi (sp.) towers and other acts of terrorism likely wouldn't have occured and 3) Iraq War 1 and Iraq War 2 probably wouldn't have occured. So you see, according to the liberal/Democrats/Pacifists/Socialists philosophy, their inaction 30 years ago that would have claimed some lives had they acted, probably cost the world a hell of a lot more lives that have been lost since that time. So now here we are in 2007 with all these people that have died in the name of the Islamic animals religion/cult, and we are still going to have to do something about Iran and Syria. We'll do it, but again, a lot more people are going to die. To bad it wasn't finished when it was started 30 years ago. Schmucks!!

Way to post famine. Even the dim trolls should take note of how famine is motivated, well-trained, and will do what it takes to protect this country. I respect famine's attitude, get the job done. Some people talk shit on the country. Some people go get the fucking job done. Famine is a doer, and all you cry baby left wingers are not going to stop folks like famine. If you need a care package famine, send me an e-mail and give me your address. Batteries, silly string, whatever. Just remember, for every mamby pamby protester you see on TV, there are ten fuckers that got your back. You keep kicking ass. We will continue to bitch-slap the lib trolls until you get back. Then we can both laugh at their lib ways.

MCvetfromhell
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vetfromhell, I believe you hit the nail smack on the head with your comments about those that do. If you look at all the problems this country, and others have, it is all about the difference between those that do and those that sit on the sidelines and watch/criticize. It's not as Dems/Libs/Pacifists/Socialists will have you believe, class warfare. As a matter of fact, class warfare has the potential to exist only when (per Neal Boortz) you have the doers on one side and the "slackers" on the other. Carter and his administration, "do nothings", Reagen "doer", Bush1 "doer", Clinton "do nothing" (well, wait, except Monica), Bush2 "doer". Current democratic party and a large number of Repubs, "do nothing". It really all comes down to that. And in the times of history, it will show that it was the "doers" that will always "gitter done" (did I spell that right Cable Guy?)and the world will be a better place because of them.

Im british & I cant believe how easy my governnment is taking this....10 years ago a task force would have been underway now ...& denny i feel helpless & i wish my tax pounds went to a government thats on my side, here we have 15 of our guys & girls.....members of the service & country left to hang out & dry & its not good enough. were at war with iraq & afghanistan......im not sure it was a good move but it is what it is so im behind it.....those iranians had better watch out though cause im sure they are next on the list.
sorry im just angry

Doom to Iran , Hello Kurdistan......

I think we should conduct a meeting with the Kurds of Northern Iraq & Western Iran to plan a joint clensing of Iran. the objective to be toppling the mullahs , partitioning of the Kurdish areas of Iraq/Iran forming the country of Kurdistan & eliminating the threat of a nuclear Iran.

The muslim fundamentalists, Turkey , France & Germany will have a shitfit , but who cares? Just think the seven Stans will become the eight Stans. Both Iraq & Iran will be chopped up into manageable territories & Turkey will be faced with an internal Kurdish minority looking to merge with the new Kurdistan. That ought to teach them ungrateful bastards to thumb their noses at us as they did before the second Iraqi war.

I think the independant country of Kurdistan while being moslem would be grateful to we & our allies for helping them achieve independance for many many years & become a bastion of pro-western influence in the middle east.

If this approach fails then consider more extreme actions.

Hang in there pete. Every dog has his day. Shamalamadingdong's is coming up. The US has two carrier task forces parked off Iran. Something should happen soon.

Prosper,

My deepest condolences to you and your family in this, your time of loss. My heart goes out to you and your loved ones. You are all in my prayers.

We cannot know God's will, but your mother is with Him now.

My sincere apologies for not posting this earlier, but I have not been following this thread.

Squidley

Iranian protesters are rioting outside the British embassy in Tehran. It is time:

http://www.iranian.com/Pictory/2002/December/BombIran.mp3

Pete: "i feel helpless & i wish my tax pounds went to a government thats on my side"

Pete, I have a simple solution. Move to the USA. We'd love to have you.