Did you read about that guy who mortgaged his house so he could give something like $100K to the Minutemen to build a fence? Then the Minutemen only built a small section of low quality fence, so now he's suing them?

First, you have to be an idiot to give that kind of money to a fly-by-night group of yahoos like the Minutemen. Second, I'm a little surprised that the Minutemen essentially just pocketed most of this guys money. I wonder what they've done with it. Keg party? Maybe a really kick as Cinco de Mayo party.

First, you have to be an idiot to give that kind of money to a fly-by-night group of yahoos like the Minutemen.

Haven't heard about that, a link might be awful handy. Or at least tell us which of your distinguished educators told you that.

Does this mean you consider George Soros to be a bigger idiot to give a fly-by-night group of yahoos over $100M in 2004?

Typical:

Instead of taking shots at the politicians who should already have the fence built, Silly attacks the Minutemen. What a fuckin' joke!

Typical.

Haven't heard about that, a link might be awful handy.

Sorry, I assumed all of you well informed pro-Minutemen, anti-immigration gentlemen would have known about this already.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20070530-110939-1552r.htm

Does this mean you consider George Soros to be a bigger idiot to give a fly-by-night group of yahoos over $100M in 2004?

I have no idea which group you are referring to, but I have a feeling that $100M means a lot less to the billionaire George Soros than $100K means to a guy who had to mortgage his house to raise that money. Do you think Mr. Soros had to mortgage anything to raise the $100M?

Instead of taking shots at the politicians who should already have the fence built, Silly attacks the Minutemen. What a fuckin' joke!

Charlie, the Minutemen are the joke. A bunch of guys who want to drive around and play Border Patrol. I guess it is fun for some men to play pretend, regardless of age. Apparently they are ethically challenged as well. No wonder that group is falling apart:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/12/AR2007031201297.html

In addition to taking that man's money, not building the fence and pocketing the money,

Former leaders of the Minuteman Project accuse founder Jim Gilchrist, 58, of using $300,000 of the group's money to support his pet causes, including promoting a book he co-wrote and funding an unsuccessful run for Congress in a 2005 special election.

A bunch of guys who want to drive around and play Border Patrol. I guess it is fun for some men to play pretend, regardless of age.

"...play Border Patrol." That's pretty funny. It's actually a group of Americans who are assisting the Border Patrol, as well as bringing to light just how pourous the Southern border is. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. It's hardly play and it's hardly pretend. It's real whether you want to accept it or not.

Sally:

They're "undocumented Border Agents".

Regardless of what you think of them - the fact is they have succeeded in proving that the Southern border is a theory, and the Federal Government has failed at it's Constitutionally Sworn duty.

Funny, you want more Government, except for areas where they're mandated to do a duty..

Odd, that.

Funny, you want more Government, except for areas where they're mandated to do a duty..

Where did I say that I don't want more real border security? Please find the comment where I stated or even implied this. Just a little cut-and-paste would be sufficient.

In reality, I am in favor of giving current illegal aliens a path to citizenship with appropriate background checks. Additionally, we should seriously determine how many more workers we will need over the coming years to meet all of our labor needs so we can determine how many Mexicans we will allow to legally immigrate. I am also in favor of real border security with sufficient fencing and border patrol agents to genuinely regulate our southern border. That means more fencing and more border patrol agents in the very least.

But Minutemen aren't real or effective border security agents. They are wannabes playing with walkie talkies, pretending to be Border Patrol agents. They are harmless, unless they have guns. And then they'll probably end up shooting each other by accident or some innocent civilian.

But Minutemen aren't real or effective border security agents. They are wannabes playing with walkie talkies, pretending to be Border Patrol agents.

- Actually, they have direct contact with Border Patrol agents and when they come across wetbacks on their patrol, they radio it into a central dispatch and the Border Patrol comes in and scoops them up and sends 'em back. Kinda like picking up dog turds.

They are harmless, unless they have guns. And then they'll probably end up shooting each other by accident or some innocent civilian.

- Ah yes, I was waiting for the accidental shooting/innocent victim premise to surface. You're damn right they have guns. It's not play time or pretend time on the Southern border. It's dangerous. They have been shot at from the Mexico side of the border multiple times. Do you have any examples of any "innocent civilians" being shot by the Minutemen? No? I didn't think so.

I am also in favor of giving current illegal aliens a path to citizenship with appropriate background checks. If the background check finds any have committed crimes in the U.S., then they are immediately deported. Oops, guess that's all of them since they are here ILLEGALLY.

So if the Minutemen are wannabes playing with walkie-talkies, then does that mean anyone who participates in a neighborhood watch program is a wannabe cop? Guess so...

In Arizona where the citizens have retained their natural right to carry firearms I understand the Minutemen there with CCW permits DO carry while patrolling the border. How many have shot each other and shot civilians? I'll look it up and get back to you, but I am guessing that number is going to be NONE.

Sally, stop projecting.

Where did I say that I don't want more real border security?

When you sneered at the Minutemen.

See, the point of the Minutemen, is they're currently exposing and showing that there isn't effective border security.

They embarressed DC into actually sending more agents into the field - where the MM were. Not that any other areas had less of a problem - just that the MM was capturing video of the problem.

Thus, your deriding them as "Fly-by-night" (despite the fact that their efforts have exceeded the Border Patrols "stepped up" enforcement), would indicate to me that you are against strong enforcement of the border and against expelling people who crossed the border illegally and/or under false pretenses.

So if you are not against that, you have my apologies.

But Minutemen aren't real or effective border security agents.

They've decreased the border crossings in the areas where they've been patrolling. They've increased the apprehensions by a noticable amount. That would make them "effective".

They are wannabes

Oh, they're not from the government. So they want to be. Ah, whatever.

They are harmless, unless they have guns. And then they'll probably end up shooting each other by accident or some innocent civilian.

Ah, well, we all know that sworn government agents are The Only Ones who should have weapons....

Are the Minutemen receiving compensation from the Goverment?

If they are not, then that means they are being good citizens and giving back!!!

I love it. Clara Peller would have been proud.

When you sneered at the Minutemen.
See, the point of the Minutemen, is they're currently exposing and showing that there isn't effective border security.

Sneering at a group of half-assed vigilantes doesn't mean I don't want REAL border security. They aren't real border security. They are a bunch of wannabes pretending. I have no reason to believe they have been at all effective in increasing border security.

They've decreased the border crossings in the areas where they've been patrolling. They've increased the apprehensions by a noticable amount. That would make them "effective".

1. Do you have data to support this?
2. Did the illegals just go around them to spots that they aren't patrolling? My larger question is, has the Minutmen presence actually decreased illegal immigration or just moved it down the road a mile or two?
3. If apprehensions have increased, how do we know that the Minutemen are the cause and not official "stepped up" border enforcement?

If they are not, then that means they are being good citizens and giving back!!!

Vigilante justice is inherently dangerous. I want more real border patrol agents and fewer untrained citizens who picked up a gun and a walkie talkie and decided the wanted to "bag a wetback," like CharlieDelta.

I love watching all the senators pontificating on the floor of our senate trying hard to cover a lie. The morons really think that they can fool us all of the time. So much bull-shit being thrown around one would think he was at a rodeo. After returning from another much needed vacation they just couldn't understand how much the populace was angry so some changed their minds and others were angry that they did. Reminds me of a bunch blind queers at a weiner roast. Ted Kennedy, McCain and Lindsey Graham all should be immediately fired or at least hung.

doesn't mean I don't want REAL border security.

So you are for strict border enforcement and deportment of those here illegally? Just checking, seemed like you might be tiptoing around that. Wondering if I owe you an apology.

My larger question is, has the Minutmen presence actually decreased illegal immigration or just moved it down the road a mile or two?

Irrelevent - the "yahoos" have demonstrated exactly what a failure the Feds have on their hands - they don't have to decrease it to be effective.

I'll let you read in-between the lines U.S. Border Patrol agents have been ordered not to arrest illegal aliens along the section of the Arizona border where protesters patrolled last month because an increase in apprehensions there would prove the effectiveness of Minuteman volunteers, The Washington Times has learned.

Vigilante justice is inherently dangerous.

It can be. But we're not talking about that.

The Minutemen aren't vigilantes. By you know, definition, oh schooled one.

So you are for strict border enforcement and deportment of those here illegally? Just checking, seemed like you might be tiptoing around that. Wondering if I owe you an apology.

Did you read what I posted above? I said that I am for a path to legal citizenship for illegals in this country (with full background checks) AND I am for strict border enforcement at the same time.

My larger question is, has the Minutmen presence actually decreased illegal immigration or just moved it down the road a mile or two?

Irrelevent - the "yahoos" have demonstrated exactly what a failure the Feds have on their hands - they don't have to decrease it to be effective.

Irrelevant? Maybe they have shown insufficiencies in federal border control (which were quite evident before anyway), but you said that they had been effective in decreasing border crossings and increasing apprehensions. I asked for proof of this. Also, if they only succeeded in causing the illegals to cross at another point, then they aren't really being effective.

Without data, it is hard to say if they've had any positive effect at all. I would dispute that their presence led to the increase in BP agents. I think the immigration debate and the call for greater enforcement led to that.

And they are vigilantes to the extent that they take the law into their hands. Do they only use those guns for self defense?

Vigilante justice is inherently dangerous. I want more real border patrol agents and fewer untrained citizens who picked up a gun and a walkie talkie and decided the wanted to "bag a wetback," like CharlieDelta.

-The Mintuemen are not vigilantes, they are simply American citizens tired of all the bullshit lack of enforcing border security. Is it the firearms that fuels your animosity towards them Sally, or the fact that they are doing what they can to keep the wetbacks in Mexico where they belong? Did I say I wanted to bag a wetback? Please point out where I ever said that, or even implied that. You can't.

I notice you are quick to put words in my mouth, but can't address any of the points where I rebutted your ridiculous assertation of what really goes on here on the Southern border. hmmmm...

And they are vigilantes to the extent that they take the law into their hands. Do they only use those guns for self defense?

-How are they taking the law into their own hands? They are reporting sightings of wetbacks to Border Patrol central dispatch and Border Patrol takes care of it from there. What part of that do you not understand??? And yes, the firearms are for self-defense, or what part of the Minutemen being shot at don't you get?

I would suggest before you spout your drivel here, you at least know a little about what the fuck you are debating. You won't sound like such an asshole.

And they are vigilantes to the extent that they take the law into their hands. Do they only use those guns for self defense?

*sigh*

Then, they're not vigilantes, now are they?

Is 911 a vigilante plot?

I said that I am for a path to legal citizenship for illegals in this country (with full background checks) AND I am for strict border enforcement at the same time.

I was just double-checking.

I just was surprised you'd be so strongly behind Bush, is all. I guess you're just a dittohead neocon. I've got to go back into work, and I don't have time to try and educate you on that fallacy.

Minutemen - doing the job some other Americans aren't allowed to do.

BTW, I still want my full-fucking-field fortifictions, with those Claymores and machine guns. And convoys of packed busses heading south.

Thanks to all you great Americans who wrote and called your congress critters and bent their ears about the amnesty bill. It seems that it is dying in the senate as I speak. Limdsey McCain, I mean Lindsey Graham cracker is about to be persona non gratta in South Carolina. He followed McCain around too much and now will soon be out of a job.
You see Sally, the Republicans give everyone a chance until they screw us twice. Lindsey 's first time was joining the gang of 14 thus dumping overboard very good judges to placate one Senator Lehey. The other Senator who is no longer with us was Mike DeWine of Ohio. There are of course some that escaped but we will seek revenge on those who don't follow the constitution and think they are above the law. Remember Duke Cunningham,Tom Delay and Bob Ney?
Now compare the Libs. Where is Mullohan and Diane Feinsrein? They still hold office and the press stays quite. William Jefferson is still in congress and the black caucus won't even let Nancy Pussilosi can him.
Sally you have to wake up and smell the mildew.

I just was surprised you'd be so strongly behind Bush, is all. I guess you're just a dittohead neocon. I've got to go back into work, and I don't have time to try and educate you on that fallacy.

I agree with Bush when I think he's right. I disagree with him when I think he's wrong. I don't think the dittoheads and conservatives are behind Bush on this one.

I'm tired of you just running away and abandoning the argument. ;)

By the way, do you have proof to support your claim that the Minutemen decreased illegal border crossings and that they caused an increase in apprehensions, or were they merely suppositions.

Congratulations my fellow common sense citizens! Senator Reid pulled the bill!!!!!! We did it!! It's the only decent move he's made since he was promoted to Senate Majority Leader (regardless of his underlying political agenda). The bill is now dead but only for now so we've won the battle but not the war.

Now, let's focus on a bill for border security only. One step at a time. We'll deal with those who are already here at a later date. Let's stop the flow first. Again, congratulations to us all! There is hope for this great nation, yet! Fred Thompson!!! Make your move now!

I can't help it Sally, but this caught my eye...and my ire.

Additionally, we should seriously determine how many more workers we will need over the coming years to meet all of our labor needs so we can determine how many Mexicans we will allow to legally immigrate.

We have a about 4% unemployment rate and this means that we need to bring more people in to fill labor needs?

Before you respond to that you have to avoid the whole nonsense argument about these people crossing to work jobs that Americans don't want to do. Americans do want those jobs (except for those who want the liberals to take my tax money so they don't have to work), they just aren't willing to do them for far below what they should be paid to do them. Maybe if we didn't tax the rich so heavily they wouldn't feel the need to outsource our jobs to foreign countries and illegal aliens.

What the Mexicans deserve more is to be treated better by their own government. Our country has enough problems of it's own without inheriting our neighbors problems too.

I totally respect the Minutemen and they held a rally here in my small Nebr. city last weekend. They didn't get much press which really disappointed me. It made me feel ashamed to live here in the Heartland. I believe that dollars ( cheap mexican labor) has totally taken over our comman sense. It should not be okay that my kids are a minority in their classrooms and that the 87% other students are allowed to speak hispanic in the classrooms. Unfortunatly I live this crap everyday of my life.

If Sally falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does she really make a sound???

Apparently not...

(chirp! chirp!)

Still waiting Sally. I know you are all too busy and don't have time to respond to every comment.

You might regain some of your credibility...

Patronize me...

Paul-
(tilt goes the glass....)

CharlieDelta-
(Cheers back at ya....)

So, Sally, do you oppose neighborhood watch, a bunch of wannabe's patroling their own neighborhoods looking for suspicious behaviour? Thats all the minutemen are! National Neighborhood Watch!
And your support of ILLEGAL immigrants, explain that one please, assuming you aren't simply looking for a new maid and pool boy.
I have my view of a path for them, its in the form of a prison bus returning them to Mexico... after they complete their prison terms that is. for that we should take them to Maricopa County Arizona and the tent city jail.

Just my opinion gentlemen. I haven't been out on any "patrols" so maybe I'm wrong. But I've seen some interviews with Minutemen and a lot of them strike me as gung ho idiots who like to drive around and play on walkie talkies, pretending to be real Border Patrol agents. I'm sure some of them take it seriously though. I still don't know if they're doing any good. I suspect they aren't having much effect at all. Unix said they are. I'm still waiting for proof.

By the way Sally-

By the way, do you have proof to support your claim that the Minutemen decreased illegal border crossings and that they caused an increase in apprehensions, or were they merely suppositions.

Why do you spend more time denegrating the Minutemen than you do denegrating the phoney politicians (on both sides of the isle) who claim to want "security" and the building of the 'fence', but never do a fucking thing about it?

Lemme guess...
Bush did it?

Take your blinders off for once, Sally.

I find it interesting that you choose to defend ILLEGAL invaders & occoupiers before the will of the people.

It says a lot about you...

Why do you spend more time denegrating the Minutemen than you do denegrating the phoney politicians (on both sides of the isle) who claim to want "security" and the building of the 'fence', but never do a fucking thing about it?

Because that promised fence was a joke. Not only was it not part of a comprehensive immigration policy, it wouldn't have even done a good job of securing the border. It's not like the fence would have covered the whole border.

I have a big problem with the politicians on both sides of the aisle who are not supporting at least some version of good, effective comprehensive immigration legislation. That means giving a path to citizenship for illegals (they are hardworking people who are very good for our economy and who have, in most cases, been helping our economy for years) AND securing the border.

I also have a problem with guys who like to go out and play cop and pretend that they are helping the situation.

I find it interesting that you choose to defend ILLEGAL invaders & occoupiers before the will of the people.

Invaders and occupiers? Charlie, you're hilarious. You must have had more than a few tonight (again). They aren't invading this country. They aren't occupying this country. They are coming in to do work that needs to be done and has really helped our economy by filling in a big gap in our workforce. You should be thanking them for the relatively inexpensive meat, vegetables and fruit you eat, as well as much less expensive construction of all kinds. You're welcome.

And Charlie, by the way, what do you care about the "will of the people"? Right now it is the "will of the people" that we should start pulling out of Iraq. Do you think we should do that because it is the "will of the people"? Didn't think so. Come up with another argument.

comprehensive immigration policy

-skip goes the record...

Invaders and occupiers? Charlie, you're hilarious. You must have had more than a few tonight (again). They aren't invading this country.

- They aren't invading this country? Did I read that right???? What planet are you from Sally? I love it when you resort to hanging from a thread by my fondness for beer. It really shows how much you know not what you speak, and have to resort to cheap 'retorts' such as that. If you really want to know, yes, I enjoy my beer, but if that's all you have to respond with (time and time again without addressing my comments that rebutted your "position") then you can GFY!

It's really cute that you dodged my questions yet again.

When you can back your shit up, get back to me, Sally.

I also have a problem with guys who like to go out and play cop and pretend that they are helping the situation.

Is that because you really hate men, or because you just want to argue about anything and everything? "Pretend" that they are helping the situation? God forbid that they actually are helping the situation and you would be wrong...

What would we do?

You should be thanking them for the relatively inexpensive meat, vegetables and fruit you eat, as well as much less expensive construction of all kinds. You're welcome.

Am I suposed to say "thank you?". OK. Thank you beaners for my taxes going towards paying for your anchor babies instead of the breast cancer patient. Thank you wetbacks for taking the jobs that "Americans wont do...". Thank you scumbags for stealing my speakers. Thanks alot Pedro for bringing drugs into my Country. While you're at it, can you bring in a dirty-bomb? Thank you 'Immigrants' for shitting on my flag and my Country.

Thanks assholes!

PS Silly-
When you can come up with answers to my questions, I would be more than happy to address your question. The only problem is that you can never seem to back up your blanket statements with anything...

...anything.

When you do, get back to me.

Sally-
Unlike you, I will actually answer a question. What do I care about "the will of the people?". I care dearly about the will of the people. Afterall, I am part of the will of the People. It's too bad that you don't give a shit about the People. You're too interested in smearing Americans before you stand behind them. What a pity...

You have no will, and that's a major part of your problem. Actually, that's most of your problem. You have balls, but they are worthless...

I guess it is fun for some men to play pretend, regardless of age.
You should be glad, Sally... otherwise you'd NEVER get laid.

Silly is once again, dumb like stick.
She doesn't get the real fact that people are invading our country illegally, and here's one that maybe she could get behind, enslaving young women and forcing them into prostitution! Silly, you dipshit, you know nothing of the drugs and the gangs that horrible illegal-mexican-and the like from S.American areas. They are bringing ruination to our cities, and communities. While the nice Mexican type parents are hard working, their children who grew up here are devolving into the gang culture, just like the muslim kids who go jihad. And not a one of them can drive.
I can't give you a link on that, I've seen it with my own eyes. It's sad.
While you choose to bury your head in the sand, we do patrol our neighborhood, well armed. Why? Not because we want to play act as cops or feel like we are vigilantes. The police in our town have failed to protect us, from crackheads breaking down our door to felons shooting at me while I was in my yard. The cops here won't even enforce a restraining order. I've been to all of the city council meetings to bitch and wasted alot of time. And I live in a damn nice neighborhood, no crime reports=high taxes.
You see, silly, once you relegate your personal protection or your health care or any of your liberties to a governmental body, yer basically fucked, but maybe to you that would be your utopian ideal of socialism? To me this is no longer an option, as is it not for us Americans who live in border towns and sanctuary cities.
Maybe you should go to work for the ACLU and use your expertise to defend 'small eyes'. You know, the grown up guys who like to abduct and hurt and rape and kill children and demand to live and work next door to a school.... No need for you to answer that, it's people like you and those who feel/think like you do who will work to erode our borders and continue to erode our culture from the inside.
Silly, you are my nominee for asshat of the year.

LisaKay,
I'll answer for Silly Sally. She already is part of the Anti Christian Litigation Union. Can't you tell from her spew?
She is a part of their society seeking to undermine the constitution by her reinterpretation. She is another worthless Willie arguing about what "IS" really is.
Sally, go here for a little information on the minuteman project. Please keep in mind that there are two groups involved who are not partnered.
As to your comments regarding the length of the fence, there are areas where building the fence is not practical, and areas where it would harm the local economy in that it would prevent cattle from reaching the only source of water available to them

They are coming in to do work that needs to be done and has really helped our economy by filling in a big gap in our workforce. You should be thanking them for the relatively inexpensive meat, vegetables and fruit you eat, as well as much less expensive construction of all kinds. You're welcome.

Why are you accepting our thanks? Are you an illegal alien?

I'll conceed the border crossings, Sally, you're right, the Minutemen did absolutely nothing, and there was no reason for the shitstorm of controversy.

But that argument of yours there is utterly fatuous.

The reason they're able to work so cheaply?

They don't pay into this great "progressive" state you seem to be so keen on.

They don't pay most taxes (being illegal). (If we shift to a "fair tax" or some universal sales tax, doing away with the income tax, I won't complain. But I betcha you don't support that, either.)

They don't register cars (see above). They quite often live outside zoning codes. (It's really fun to watch "Liberals" start screaming when "undocumented workers" start moving into their neighborhoods). I've seen 4 families living in a putative 2-bedroom "Single family" home.

If they were paying their "fair share" of taxes, amazingly, they wouldn't be able to work cheaper. Which is why most of them here would have no desire to become "citizens" - if there weren't huge amounts to be made off of the public dole.

That is the reason I am arguing strongly against this travesty.

You want to come here and work? Fine! Hot damn, American Way! Line's too long?

Then Sally, fix the g@#*&@#*#d line, not allow some selected lawbreakers to jump the line. What does this say to the Cubans, the Haitians, the average American Joe?

"Do it the right way and get screwed".

That's not the way you want to encourge faith in big government, Sally. And it demonstrates that your "educated" views are nothing more than short-term-outlooks, ignoring the past, (86 Amnesty was supposed to "fix" this, remember?) and being utterly inable to visulize the likely outcome.

Our Gal Sal........

You do not like vigilantes?......Well in times past without benefit of protection with an agency for law enforcement available, vigilante law was the only law available. There were good vigilante organizations & then there were those who operated sans legal methodology.

Today with regard to the porous border situation , the reluctance of federal authorities to do anything about it or to provide sufficent safeguards for civilian populations even to doing what money has been appropriated for & approval given........It would seem that the time has come to once again use whatever resources are available to the citizens & then to hold our federal representatives accountable come election time.

As to the various groups who are volunteering their time, money & personal effort to assume the task of monitoring border activity that the Federal authorities either can not or will not do, I applaud them, I support them & were I close to the areas in question would be one of them. To me this effort is a proactive choice made by many who are fed up with the pathetic politically correct BS foisted onto the public by our federal goverment.

As long as strict guidelines are in place as to rules of engagement, non-violance unless threatened with deadly force & mandating interaction with the Federal Border Patrol for ares being monitored & procedures for alerting the Border Patrol for activity which requires Federal interdiction & assistance ...then get out of their way & let them do the job.

If any exceed the limited role for their activities then we have mechanisms in place to resolve those incidents. We have civilian groups in place all across the country now to assist our state & federal agencies now which do a very effective job in the areas of their assistance or action, why it is such a problem when we have such a problem that is now being ignored or for which we do not have adequate personel in place to address that problem?

So sorry Sal.......but you are again wrong & your odyssey for civil dis-regard continues.

Sally, have you ever participated in a Neighborhhod Watch? Sometimes, especially when a wave of crime hits an area, people there gather together to discuss how they should tackle the problem. Sometimes organized patrols are the answer, sometimes people arm themselves (read: SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT), often times citizens work together with law enforcement. This doesn't make the people vigilantes or wannabes. Ask any LEO and s/he will tell you that cops can't be everywhere at once. They need private citizens to band together and help the police. It's normal, Sally. Has been for centuries in the U.S. What's going on at the US/Mexico border with the Minutemen is similar to a Neighborhood Watch except it's taking place on a much larger scale. The Border Patrol is running ragged trying to stop all the aliens. The border is too expansive, and there aren't enough officers. So private citizens who love this country band together to assist the Feds. Just because you don't agree with the political alignment of the Minutemen, doesn't mean they're all knuckle-draggin' yahoos with no good sense. Quite the contrary, they care enough about our country to get off their asses and DO SOMETHING about it rather than hand out free-ticket rides to criminals like "your kind" does...

I think it is funny how liberals have no self control or respect for the law. Sally claimed that law abiding citizens possessing firearms legally makes those law abiding citizens unable to control the desire (must be a desire exclusive to liberals) to commit a crime by shooting someone illegally. I can't recall any conservatives that think that way, only liberals.

Sally is playing y'all. Ignore her and she will die like all trolls. She just posts what she feels will cause the most crap. She or it delights in the educated responses, then ignores them. Sally has not made one valid point since she came here.

What bothers me the most is that my MP son recieved his orders to do border patrol for a yr and put his job on hold and then his orders were changed 2 weeks before to he had to go and then was told he had to do 12 plus in Iraq. Big diff between border patrol and Iraq. Will the Army Ever get their friggin crap together?

That's the Army Teresa, I can't speak to that. What I do know is that your son will be safer in baghdad than walking around on the street in oh say, washington d.c.
Marksman, I Am my neighborhood watchman. My police cheif is a bitch and thinks that I'm an armed criminal (in my own home)who is a threat to her officers. We threw our CCP permits on her table and dared her to take them. She wouldn't, but told us to call anytime that we felt we needed the MGPD. HA! I told her that I was tired of doing her job, and even if a dead body landed in my yard, I surely would not be calling her.She will not allow us to have a watch program in our tiny cul de sac.
All the neighbors rely on us and draw their blinds, I'm looking to move out into boonies.

Teresa - You need to sit down with your Marine Corps veteran father and have him explain to you how the military works. While you're at it, you might have him also explain to you how the real world works.

Speaking of the real world, which historical evidence over previous fallen civilizations has proven, one day those fences will be used in reverse.

Our children's children might not find the fence quite as helpfully as we are imagining it to be.

Hmmm, perhaps I should Denny. But my Father never had to face active duty. Talked to my son last night who is at Camp Shelby and they are doing "dehydration" tests on them. Making them go without water and having to drink their own urine. All preps for what they are going to be facing but still hard for a Mother to hear.

?????

This just in. Civilians assisting law enforcement via “Crimestoppers” are now wannabe-cop-vigilantes.

It has also been noted that volunteer firefighters are wannabe-firefighting fire-vigilantes.

*sarcasm off*

Teresa,
You have got to stop playing the Sheehan card. You're son is in the training that you said that he would not get. You can't have it both ways and then throw in a weird ass sideways. There are ways to purify junk condensation and urine into perfectly usable drinking water. At least he's learning, I find it suspect that he's on the phone whining to his momma about it, didn't you ever take him camping or anything? sheesh.