At the time of our birth there was no such thing as communism or (communism lite) socialism. So I'm sure our founders would not understand how any human could even think of following such a form of government. But the democrats keep trying over and over.
Has anyone seen the change in the democrats since the Soviet Union fell? I have. They are getting more radical in thought then before. So here comes Hilliary and her long held thoughts and some Americans are falling all over her. Watch out!

Denny, when Katrina hit Mississippi it did over $10 million in improvements!

I can't tell you what Thomas Jefferson would say about the Democrat Party but Alexander Hamilton would have loved them!

It wasn't so much that Bill deducted his used underpants - what's really funny is that he put a 'value' of $2.00 apiece on his Schedule A, IIRC.

"Which brings me to today's Dimocrat party: the part of Jefferson and Jackson. Neither of those dudes would recognize today's Dimocrat Party."

Yeah, because the Democratic party and Republicans have switched beliefs. Democrats were consistently southerners, and Republicans northerners. Dem's were all about slavery, and Republicans were the abolitionists. Then it changed in the 20's + 30's.

Jon, that's not quite right, the dems stayed the party of slavery. It started in the south after the civil war. They didn't like the change back to being part of the Union, and the freeing of the slaves. The Klan took over local governments with terroristic type tactics. (See todays Iraq)
Since then, the Dems won over the poor and the black folks by promising them cradle to grave hand outs. Basically, they found another way to keep poor folks poor and uneducated-in bondage. Since these folks thought that the gummint was taking care of them, they voted Democrat. They still do. (See today's New Orleans)
Thanks to guys like Denny and Talk Radio we are now able to get real news and educate ourselves beyond the 4 tv channels of yesturday. The South Rules!

Ralph, I have a good friend who lived in Port St. Louis, MS. He is a solidly middle-class workingman with a wife and two children. They lost their house and everything in it to Katrina.

Was that an "improvement"?

(Unlike some, his family listened to the warnings and managed to evacuate to Baton Rouge in time.)

"What do you think the founding fathers would think of the way we tax ourselves with representation today?"

Since when did the Congressmen of today represent anyone decently?

If the Founding Fathers could see what is happening today, half of them would probably be pushing for another revolution. I know Patrick Henry would be out in front with some tar and feathers to show our "representatives" how we feel.

Speaking of Independence Day, read this steaming pile of America-hating liberal bilge:

http://progressive.org/media_mpzinn070106

"Since then, the Dems won over the poor and the black folks by promising them cradle to grave hand outs"

They made those promises during the Great Depression, EVERYONE was poor and needed Government assistance.

Jon, not everyone was poor during the depression. Maybe the depression wouldn't have even happened had it not been for guys like Josesph P Kennedy monkeying around with the stock market. Who knows? Them darn Kennedy's!
My families were poor during the depression, you know what they did? They planted gardens, raised animals and had more babies...they were tough and didn't go on any programs until they retired with a paltry monthly social security check.
Jon, you missed my point. It was people of the Republican persuasion who wrote the Emancipation Proclamation, and later it was the same Republican thinking people who wrote and helped to enact the Civil Rights Act. You have the internet, look this shit up for yourself?

Jon.....

You seem to think the entire history of this country revolves around the Democratic party & their promises to the poor. The great depression was just one period of many boom went bust periods in our history ...actually the worlds history.

The belief of benign salvation of the unwashed & poor masses of America by virtue of the Democratic Party & FDR with the myriad goverment programs spawned over the last 65/70 years needs to be tempered by the gigantic growth of Federal Authority over daily lifes of all Americans, the bloated Federal payroll, the destruction of the concept of self-reliance, the explosion of the Federal welfare budgets & system & the greed of all govermental groups to tax the living crap out of each & everyone of us who work to redistribute that money to those who do not.

I personally wonder just how much more powerful & dynamic this country could be with out the horse collar of welfare entitlements hanging over us.

I've never commented your page before, but have been reading it well over a year. I am in the USMC currently in Japan, just wanted to thank you for your support of our duties.

I don't pay any taxes. My parents are still supporting me and I just got fired from my job at Burger King.

Fortunately I dont pay any taxes. I lost my job at Burger King and am living in my parents basement.

I can't even keep a job at Burger King! I'll probably be stuck in my parents basement for the rest of my life. I can't get a date. I'm stuck at home on a Saturday night trolling sites run by people smarter than me.

Jon,
When Floater was elected to the senate, the general thinking of the dems was segregationist. Ever hear of McGovern? The presidential candidate ? Quit believing the drivel spewed by the dems. Its all part and parcile of their efforts to keep the blacks stuck on welfare.
If you check a little more, you will find that the great society took place during the sixties, and under Johnson. That is when welfare reforms were enacted that destroy black families.

Jeremy - Don't confuse Jon with facts. He probably believes the bilge that Algore puts out about how his father lost his senate seat by voting for the Civil Rights Act when old Al senior voted against it. had the KKK come out with a plan to destroy the black family, they couldn't have done a better job than Johnson's Great Fucking Society. Keep 'em poor. Keep 'em on welfare. Keep 'em voting Dimocrat.

Denny, can you find one clear cut error in my case? I use nothing but facts, that the parties have switched sides, and that the Democrats made promises during the Great Depression to help the poor. Obviously not everyone was poor, but the vast, vast majority of America was. And when I say "they" needed government assistance, I meant the poor.

I'm sorry different ideas anger you so much. Since my beliefs don't seem to line up with yours I'm suddenly being attacked by everyone for no good reason. I've not been rude, I've not come on here and flamed, I've tried to present my case and get nothing but disrespect from you.

Jon - I'm not disrespecting you. I was just agreeing with another poster who took you to task about your comment about the Dimocrats during the Depression, when we were talking about the current Dimocrats who still make promises to the poor and the blacks and whose policies have created even more dependency on gummint by the poor and the blacks.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by disagreeing with you. Did you notice that my site is named Grouchy Old Cripple? I named it that way for a reason.

The alternative to government assistance was starving. People were flat broke, and very few were able to scrape enough money together to get a garden going, or even be lucky enough to have a yard.

Johnson's Great Society wasn't just government handouts. A large portion of it was getting blacks equal, through legislation like the Civil Rights Acts. At the time, giving handouts was certainly the right thing to do (although I do agree with you that it's getting excessive today).

I didn't say anything about you hurting my feelings by disagreeing. But getting attacked simply for presenting a differing viewpoint in a normal manner (i.e., not just cursing you out) did piss me off.

Jon - So in your mind pointing out that you were wrong is attacking you for disagreeing? Yep! That's the typical liberal mindset.

"Don't confuse Jon with facts. He probably believes the bilge that Algore puts out about how his father lost his senate seat by voting for the Civil Rights Act when old Al senior voted against it"

Look I'm not trying to pick a fight about this. I'm trying to have a reasonable debate and we're just getting dragged off into some random tangent. The above was your first post to me, what I'm asking is do you think this:

"Which brings me to today's Dimocrat party: the part of Jefferson and Jackson. Neither of those dudes would recognize today's Dimocrat Party."

is still valid, despite the party switch.

Jon - The random tangent was your bringing up the Republican Party when the post was about the Dimocrat Party.