That was such a brilliantly disturbing flick.

My favorite flick of all time!
Get the fuck off my obsticle!

Excellent movie. I saw that when it came out in the theater and remember laughing pretty hard during that scene. For some reason though, in the theater I remember him saying something like, "for the women, you aim two feet ahead, and the children, you aim one." or something to that regards. Every time I've seen it since then, the script is as it is here. I don't know? Either way, it's a great scene...

Sorry Guys,
The film was CRAP. We didn't use that type helicopter in 'nam and we didn't shoot at civilians I don't care what those stupid bastards in hollywood think. That stupid door gunner would have been coutr marshaled for the things he did in that scene. You guys need to quit drinking the anti-war kool-aid.

1st Aviation Brigade, 10th Aviation Battalion (Combat), Tuy Hoa, Republic of Vietnam, 6-1970 to 5-1971

Thuan-Yen, Ken?

Ken-
You must be an FNG here at GOC. Not many of us here are anti-war...

I'm sorry, that should be My-Lai

Ken - I'm a 'Nam vet as well. USN 1965-1969. I was in the Gator Navy. 14 months on an LSD (USS Comstock LSD-19) out of San Diego and 22 months on an LST (USS Iredell County LST-839) out of Guam. I never said the clip was true or that the movie was either. I just enjoyed the shit out of it. Jesus! There was one part where they called the Vietnamese slopes. They were never called slopes. They were always called gooks.

The music was topical and the scene with the hooker in Saigon was spot on.

Bob - Do us all a favor and GFY!

Not called 'slopes'?

R U kidding?

We called 'em 'dinks', 'slopes', 'gooners', 'charlie' and a whole bunch of other names.

Ken may be correct as to Army Aviation & 'that type of helicopter', but USMC up in I Corps was still flying CH-34 'Dog' well into 1969 (which was after Tet 68, which is the ostensible-setting for Full Metal).

That door gunner in the movie was not meant to be a sympathetic character, but rather an example of some of the "ScrewLou's" who happened to fly. Any Marine gunner firing like that would have been court-martialed ... -after recovering from the injuries inflicted on him by the rest of his own crew.

Sometimes Honor still trumps testosterone.

Denny, why the hate? I'm just saying not everyone who committs atrocities gets court-martialed. Sometimes they get featured for their valour in Stars and Stripes.

Bob - Why do you hate the military so much? Why are you such an idiot?

Sorry Dan. I stand corrected. In the Navy the Vietnamese and Guamanians were gooks. I never heard them referred to as slopes. I have to defer to the knowledge of a Cong Killer. That's what we Navy guys called the groundpounders.

I don't see how pointing out our army isn't perfect equals hating it.

Did sally get a sex change?

What in this world is perfect Bob? The thing about you libs is that you never look for, or even mention the good things especially when it comes to our Armed Forces. Just the few negatives that you can find and you take the ball and run with it, completly ignoring the good. That alone speaks volumes about you and your fellow liberal puppets.

No I raise the few negatives when we're discussing Full Metal Jacket, which was basically every possible problem in Vietnam rolled into one movie.

So why didn't you just say that from the start? If that's the 'point' you're been trying to make here, couldn't have you just written,

"FMJ, was basically every possible problem in Vietnam rolled into one movie." ?

You could've made your 'point' easily in one simple sentence, but we all know that's not what you meant.

Please try again...

Bob makes his point!

It took a bit, but he got there.

"Full Metal" was just like so much that got its' start in those turbulent years: schizophrenia.

Remember how "Full Metal" ended? The reality on the ground was quite different. I have a friend from then who will gladly show you the scars of six AK bullets that managed to get thru his flak-jacket and into his back.

Get a few drinks in him, and he praises the nameless dink/slope/gooner/chink who got him and you should HEAR him rip Colt Arms & Manufacturing (who manufactured and passed on to Troops in active-combat the KNOWN-GARBAGE of the early M-16) and the makers of his flak jacket (Litton Industries).

You knew that the M-16 could only fire 2-3 rounds before it jammed, didn't you? Colt certainly did. But, they had that contract & were not about to trash upwards of 9,000 rifles for a mere technical flaw that could be cleaned up in Round 2 of the procurement cycle.

Check it out for yourself as you see fit. My research shows that a MINIMUM of 3,000 Troops got killed & wounded in that time because they were, essentially, sent into combat unarmed.

How does one support those who would DO such a thing?

There be the roots of the schizophrenia.

Do yourself a favor: next time you are at the Wall in DC (or when the Moveable Wall comes to an area near you), DON'T spend all your time marvelling at the 58,836 who are engraved in Honor forever!

DO spend your time in the tent where Veteran's will help you pull up the name of the ServicePerson and the complete Record of the PERSON whom you may want to give tribute to.

You may find that more than a few did NOT find it 'Sweet & Honorable' to give their lives' for this Country.

"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"
"It is sweet and honourable to die for one's country."

It's sometimes quite a FUCKING LIE as told by the DEAD themselves!

During World War I, British poet Wilfred Owen wrote a poem entitled, "Dulce Et Decorum Est," in which the phrase was decrypted as "the old Lie."

The poem was written by Owen in response to a poem by Jessie Pope, a propagandist with limited talent, entitled "Dulce Et Decorum Est Pro Patria Mori". The latter was about the glory of dying for one's country.

In a school essay, German playwright Bertolt Brecht referred to the phrase as "Zweckpropaganda" (cheap propaganda for a specific cause).

Come! JOIN US! Join us on those battlefields you so hallow and treasure so deeply! BLEED with us! CRY with us! SCREAM with us as we scream at ourselves' for once being in such TERROR as to reject our very-self for being so God-Damned SCARED.

And be sure to tell us how SCARED we should be.

Tell us, too, how HEROIC we should be & feel. Tell us how we didn't kill enough. Tell us how we should have stayed longer.

Tell us, from your armchair, what we SHOULD have done, Should Have Felt, SHOULD be today.

Tell us why we shouldn't have lost limb & sight and Mind.

Come! JOIN US! Join us on those battlefields you so hallow and treasure so deeply!

BAH!

DanS-
Tell us how many bongloads you had tonight?

CD:

Not a single, solitary one!

I merely put in a 14-hour day with over 150 Students today.

So yes, I'm way-gone DINGY tonight.

Which is why I'm here.
Cheers, as always .....-and quit drinkin' all the beer! :)

CD:

I have a sneaking suspicion you've never been exposed to nor read Seigfried Sasson!

You sly Devil, you!

err............... Sassoon!

:)

TOLD ya I was worn-to-a-frazzle by all of your stupid but eager-to-learn kids!

No matter; I love them & they love me.

Together, we are actually making progress for both the Class and for America.

Plus, Employers LOVE what I'm doing with/for them!
(Find the error in that statement, Booby!) :)

Hang on, what about the film though? What about Kubrick?
I love this film, it has it all, we do 'get it' more than A Clockwork Orange do we not? This film is dark and gross and horrific, but brilliant. It's a film, it's a masterwork of art immitating life if you will. Kubric was a modern day Hitchcock and the film is a beautiful version of that ciney-wise. I now know that it touches alot of nerves, but it's just a film, a reflection.
The Vietnam wall is something entirely differant DanS. I have fam on that wall, fams and collegues that I know and love in my life alive and well here. I couldn't bear to watch Eyes wide shut though, with Tom Snooze-ack foo.

Here's a funny for y'all. The kids at recess use to call me Lisa the Chinese Pizza Slope. I told my Dad and he laughed, he said it means yer Irish. So then I just beat them up.

No CD, but we're discussing FMJ, and then things like My-Lai are relevant, as I said in my first post.

But you didn't say that in your first post, Bob. Let me re-hash your first two comments:

#1, Thuan-Yen, Ken?

#2, I'm sorry, that should be My-Lai

As Paul addressed you before, how about you expand on your (non) point for once instead of these stupid one-liner turds that you learned in your Political Science class this semester?

As My-Lai demonstrated not everyone got prosecuted for atrocities; people like the gunner could do things like that and get away with it.

And FMJ was a movie...

I was only replying to Ken's remark that
"That stupid door gunner would have been coutr marshaled for the things he did in that scene."

Bob-
You are so transparent, it's laughable.

You weren't "only replying to Ken's remark." You were barfing what you heard in your classroom...

No CD, but we're discussing FMJ, and then things like My-Lai are relevant, as I said in my first post.

I see you are a victim of ADHD. When you can decide what stance you wanna take, get back to me...

Film was based on a great book by Michael Herr, "Dispatches." As is always the case, book beats the hell out of the movie.