Took me a second or two, but I would recognize the inside of a lib's head any day of the week.

If you stare at that white space long enough, you can see a women's head turn into a goblet ... -or maybe the goblet turns into a head ... -not sure; still staring.

That is one thing I do not do. It takes less energy to just get it done. hoorah

Hard work pays off in the long run, lazyness pays off now.

DanS - Gotta agree with you on this one. Now where did I put that shaker......

I post my response later

Now that's the poster I need above my desk at work! Professional-crastination is a way of life...

I always wanted to be a procrastinator but never got around to it.

I have some strong opinions on this that I will share tommorow.

DanS & B.......-
What a great idea!! Now I know what you two can get me for Christmas...

CD - Poltergeist? For a moment there I thought you were wanting drugs and booze :)

I have the opp of this, I have all the photos and never the right sized frames/mats to finish them off. But, don't bug me about it, it's on the list...

I enjoyed that poster immensely. Thank you. rofl

Judy Tenuta, that accordian playing comedian, once said, "My mother said 'you'll never amount to anything because you always procrastinate.' I replied 'just wait...'"

I hope all ya'll have a safe and happy Thanksgiving, and I'll be back Monday.

Elizabeth
Imperial Keeper

Just so all y'all have something to chat about as you digest your meal, I have a question:

Consider the closing paragraph of the "Gettysburg Address":

"But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate -- we cannot consecrate -- we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us, the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us, that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion;
that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, and for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

My question is this:
Has GWB ever been there? Does it matter? Have YOU been there? What do you suppose Lincoln meant with this paragraph?

THERE! A Question for each of you, according to what I think you like to talk about.

That ought to give VetFrom, Dudley, LisaK, Paul, Charlie(something-or-another), Denny, Bob, B..., Sally, Prosper, Ray, and that other guy I agree with and that girl, whose opinion I like, something to talk about!

Warm Turkey Thanksgiving BLESSINGS be upon you & Yours!

Note:(look for a Colts-Falcons UPSET tomorrow!).

DanS.

catfish, jeremy, & patrick are not allowed to post except as referees ... -unless they want to.

I'm going to have to get one of those to hang over my desk one of these days...
Anyway, have a very happy and peaceful Thanksgiving, Denny.
Gregor

DanS......

Interesting that you are as confused with your choice of that which we should ponder in support of your position as you are in your sense of awareness for the reality of world political requirements.
Regarding a Liberal Socialist reaction.....Democratic modern style, Had Abraham Lincoln waited for a public opinion poll or chose to ignore what was obvious, the South would have successfully made good their secession, the Union would have been destroyed & so would the United States as the world power it came to be.

I read a story of historical fiction some years back as to what might have been, In this fictional assessment of the future of divided America`s, the European`s gained the upper hand due to our division & the two Americas were relegated to a subordinate role in world influence with Mexico gaining the leadership role in this hemisphere.
The point made was that Lincoln was compelled to prosecute an unpopular war to preserve the Union not so much as to free the slaves. As Lincoln penned & orated "And this Goverment of the people, by the people & for the people shall not perish from this earth" This is what a believer in the fundamental greatness of this country & for the preservation of this nation would & should do......what is correct even if it be unpopular.

To this President Bush felt that the war on terror was a justifiable response to what happened on 9/11. According to the best intelligence available , not only was Saddam specifically involved to some degree, from a political point Iraq was best choice for the installation of a semi-western style regime to checkmate the fundamentalist ambitions of the muslim extremists. What this a popular move?...... No! What is the correct move?.....I believe so! History will be the Judge of this.

I think the actions taken by GWB will prove to have been justified & correct as history unfolds, I think some of the previous very good to great Presidents would have done the same thing. Reagan,Truman, Roosevelt 1 & Abraham Lincoln would have similarly been compelled to act in the defense of this Nation.......but according to correct liberal socialist thinking , this would not be right.
Too Bad! America comes first to the patriots of this country, we do not have time to take a popularity poll or to seek permission from the accomplices of those who initiated the attack upon us. You who are deluded & paralyzed by your blind acceptance for the pronouncements of the Democratic liberals are really fortunate there are still people willing to make the tough choices ....even if unpopular.

Anyway DanS ...Thanksgiving is once again upon us...... Eat, Drink & have lots of Turkey, for the day is coming when you will be eating crow!

DanS - Colts Falcons upset? Now I know that you are taking some hardcore drugs.

DanS-
Sorry dude, but I'm not biting. I'm not sure what you're fishing for, but my Dad always taught me to change my bait every now and again, and I think you're due...

Happy Thanksgiving.

Dans is right, the Falcons will be upset when the Colts show up.

dudley1;

"... ponder in support of your position ..."

Really? What is my position, then?

And as you say & cite precedent-Presidents, which of them, in DEFENSE of the America of their time, launched PRE-Emptive war?

Contrast this with those who, down until this very day, still think that Afghanistan & Iraq teamed-up with Iran to knock down 4 symbols of America in September of 2001.

".... -You who are deluded & paralyzed by your blind acceptance ..." -are usually quite astute as students of History. Which is to say, we accept nothing without triangulation, corroboration, resource and documentation. And having expended rigorous effort, can see the trends, the themes, the 'sense' of the times and extrapolate from there.

CD: I asked about Gettysburg because it was November 19 when Lincoln said what he had to say about 'what happened' there in July 1863; and it was suddenly, then, there at Gettysburg, unscripted, in November that the third paragraph occurred to him. THAT is the HONESTY of the Gettysburg Addresss!

Den: Crow I will semi-gladly eat if IND prevails today; I WANT them to win! But, if Indy DOES NOT prevail, I would like one of those meals you go to every month or so, k?

In the meantime, enjoy mashed 'taters, french-cut beans, juicy turkey and all the blessings that come with that which we are thankful for having ... -and also those things we are thankful for not having.

DanS.

Hey!? I wrote a big long windy here at Dan S, and said that I agreed with the big fish that Sir Duds1 slapped him upside the head with. It disappeared? WTF?
Thing is, I came back as I forgot to drool over Woody who is my new 'Stud Puppet' He's coolest in quoting Judy Tenuta-I am so hugging him for being a fellow delicate flower. Gotta love the Tenuta!

DanS....

Your position is one of blind hatred for George Bush,his family & anything he does or tries to do....You are obsessed with that hatred & are not capable of making an objective assessment for any action taken by this government.

Just because you can spell history does not qualify for the attribute of being astute, I think you twist history & reality to suit your extreme case of BDS for which you consistantly highjack a thread to bray at the moon.Your choice of Lincolns Gettysburg Address is validation as there is no common thread to make a comparison with. You want to continue making a fool of yourself ....be my guest , but I believe in my country & I support its president during this time of war.

Well its turkey Day ....go stuff your pie hole, have a nice day & watch football. Maybe that will soothe your guilt trip.

dudley1 - It's not just his hatred of GWB. You have to realize that he filters everything through his Viet Nam lens. As such he is against any war, preemptive or not.

I said something of the same sort at Dan S. with what I wrote before. I'll give it a stab again, even though I'm half a seepin.
So yeah, Abe Lincoln was a bit of an autocratic prick...he was the right guy at the right time. I think that Abe wrote what he felt. Afterall, men do have feelings do they not?
Just as Truman, Churchill, Reagan and GWB are in our recent times. Dan S, your opinion seems to always be contrarian to the majority of folks here. I find that interesting and somewhat amusing. I can never really answer your non-defined rambling questions. You sent me an email asking about the diff between wars and wounded knee and Thanksgiving...blah blah blah. I don't know how you want me to assauge your white mans guilt. I can't. I don't have white man's guilt. It pisses me off to no end that the white guy is the most hated and oppressed in today's society. (thank a liberal) Dan S. you gotta stop going to the mall and holding your wife's purse while she hits the changing rooms. How's about you hang a punching bag in the garage and blow off some steam by ging to the gun range and blow off a few rounds? These options work for me.
I gotta tell ya sweetie, at least when the pilgrims showed up they introduced the wheel to the injuns. The injuns had paint in the colors of red, black and green. They adapted and the Roulette wheel was born! Yay them!
Good gravy, if only I were a smidge more Ojib, I'd be a rich ScotsIrishFrench Red Skin. Laugh and lighten the hell up Dan S.
Have a Happy Trypto-football-fan couch day.

Denny....

Yeah, I know DanS has other issues besides BDS but he does make such a tempting target.....even his answers provide for more shots. Anyway I DO want to emphasize that I think DanS is really a down home good guy .....just slightly deranged & confused after all we do have some common likes, Blues & early rock being two of them.

Aside to Dans....you asked which of our former Presidents during their time launched pre-emptive war. Well War is War for whatever the reason, they are all fought with the best intentions for the good of the country ....unless feel good Liberal BS enters into the political arena.

1.Lincoln ....responded to the Confederate attack in defense of the country.
2.Teddy Roosevelt .....instigated for the Spanish-American war in response to the destruction of the Battleship Maine which was really not the fault of the Spanish, just a lucky chance to take advantage of.
3.Truman......Took us to war in Korea. to support an Ally & stop communist expansion
4......Kennedy who sponsered the bay of pigs & almost got us into a Nuclear war over Cuba to make the Russians back down
5......Johnson took us to war in Vietnam, a war that never should have been fought for the reasons stated or in the way it was conducted
6.Reagan... took us to war in Grenada & Panama to stop Cuban sponsered activites.
7.Bush 1.....took us to war in Gulf War 1 to free Kuwait & protect American interests
8. Bush 2.....Took us to war in response to terrorist Attack on American soil & to take that response to the heartland of muslim extremists.

Almost forgot Clinton who took us to war in the former Yugoslavia to support the United Nations & launched attacks on a milk plant in Africa & several tents & goats in Afghanistan.

I think the point is made.......Wars are made for many reasons which suit American interests. Gunboat diplomacy has been a fact for many many years. It is not going to change as long as those who are our adversaries of the moment choose to provoke us. There is an old adage ..."you cannot have your cake & eat it too"...put another way " You cannot accept just the wars you agree with " for whatever the reason might be.

It is not going to change as long as those who are our adversaries of the moment choose to provoke us.

SHAME on those bitch/bastards who DARE stand up !

I, too, will now shut my mouth.