GOC, I believe you have mellowed a whole lot since you retired from THAT company. On this subject of the Floater, I would have really liked to see your rantings and ravings like you did in your good old days.

Maybe the gods will smile upon us and sink his fuckin yacht this weekend. Now wouldn't that be Karmic.

Re: JFK

Cuban missile crisis. That would have never happened if he hadn't bungled the Bay of Pigs. He stabbed the Cubans in the back and let them be slaughtered on the beach.

More importantly, the "history" is that the Soviets "blinked" - they were bluffing with an empty hand the whole time.

The reason they were putting missiles into Cuba was that they didn't have any other way to threaten the US (realistically) - 400 MPH WWII technology Bear bombers against the new jet interceptors? Not a Pretty Picture.

He did fine with the rest of it, but the entire episode was a case of Russian Bluff, and then letting them write the history of it, taking their word for it.

If nothing else, the Floater was guilty of manslaughter.

As much as the man has nothing non-malignant about him - I don't think he was there that night.

I think he drove off - they were necking - and then they drove off when the cop drove up - and he got out and walked back to the party. She drove off the bridge by herself, because he didn't want to ruin his rep.

But when the news broke, there was speculation, hell, Kennedy probably didn't remember the night before, stuff got said stupidly, rather than the truth... and well, we got where we are today.

He's a bullshitter, a liar, and he's never come clean about that accident, where he tried to claim victimhood - over the literal dead body of his employee (that he was sexually harrassing).

Overheard at many a funeral from family that did not care for the deceased.

"I hope they bury him with gasoline underwear on."

I always thought that one was funny.

About 50 years ago, a family friend learned he had a cancerous brain tumor. He put all his affairs in order, provided for his wife and children and then committed suicide. Fifty years ago, there was no treatment except pain killers.

I wish Teddy a long life under HillaryCare, it will be a good example for the rest of the Nation.
As a good Catholic, Teddy would never want to commit suicide, would he?

What makes you think Teddy is a good Catholic?

"Let's not forget "I am a donut.""
JELLY Donut. A Berliner is a JELLY donut.

The Kennedy family did prove one thing. People can be bought at a cheap price. A low class of people, some call them democrats, sold their soul to the Kennedy's years ago and still ask how much every time a Kennedy accidently says 'shit'.

By the way I was one of the AF types sitting on a nuclear bomb 24-7 during the missile crisis. Old B-47 bombers at the ready.

And I was one of the ones sitting in the Pentagon reading all the raw intelligence as it came in from Cuba all during the missile crisis. There is a lot that was never told about that one and probably never will be. Mishandled all the way until the actual conclusion. JFK was a disaster from the military POV for sure.

If you consult Mark Moyar's "Triumph Forsaken", you will learn how JFK and David Halberstam of the NYT were responsible for the plot which assassinated Ngo Dinh Diem, our South Vietnamese ally, destabilizing the government just when Diem was beginning to achieve some success in establishign stability - and ultimately losing the war he got us into.
And BTW - JFK was also the president who dabbled in assassination plots against Castro & Patrice Lumumba, even though Frank "Rogue Elephant" Church tried to stick the blame on Nixon.
Camel lot - a place where you find camel toes, camel turds, and Kennedys.

this is a helluva good old school thread that I am reluctant to soil... but...its the floater.

Jim Macklin ...good catholic? snigger please...

The part that galls me now are the accolades being thrown his way. makes me just sick. what a waste of 600 lbs of good irish whiskey, cheeseburgers, and various buffets.

your sis former neighbor - You don't have to say THAT company anymore. It's IBM. And you're right. I have mellowed a lot since I've retired.

As far as the Cuban Missle Crisis, folks, we LOST that one. Sure, The Ruskies pulled their stuff out of Cuba, but we were forced to pull ours out of Turkey. The Russian stuff was junk, we had better equipment and the means to knock theirs out before they ever had them fueled. The missles in Cuba were a paper tiger, our stuff in Turkey was the real deal, equipment that could hit anywhere in European Russia and beyond. We packed it up and moved it out. Point Russia.
When all was said and done, we won the cold war but at greater cost thanks to the Kennedy clan.

It is too bad The Floater has "The senate Health Care Plan" and millions to boot. That fat shit will prolly still be around until the cockroaches die.

I have mixed feelings on JFK. I was too young to remember his administration. Raised as an Irish Catholic I was spoonfed his martyrdom at an early age. The Kennedy family made it's fortune bootlegging liquor from England and Canada into the US. Sam Giancana did fix the Chicago vote for JFK. You nailed it Denny when you mentioned how JFK got us into Vietnam. All the Vietnam vets remember that but not much of the living population. Bay of pigs was a mess. And JFK was a philanderer from hell.

But I have always been captivated by his US Navy service in WWII. PT109 made a big impression on me as a kid growing up. And at least as President he would use the military. He was more conservative than most of today's Republicans. And I thought the space program was great for this country. We caught the russians and kicked their ass, just like we did with communism. I still think of his assassination as one of the greatest tragedies this country has ever faced. And I think LBJ clipped him.

I am old enough to know that politicians all have a degree of corruption. You do not get to be President being an altar boy. I like my politicians real. Give me a gritty smoke filled room son of a bitch over a lily livered milquetoast any day.

Bobby went WAAY too far to the left. If he had been President there could have been a civil war.

I never gloat on illness for a fellow american, no matter how repugnant. I made a snide joke about Ted in a previous post and felt bad when he was diagnosed. He is an a-1 assclown that literally got away with murder.He could have prevented the dems leftward slide into socialism but chose to hasten it instead. Grand Dragon Byrd crying over him to me is hilarious, since his father probably help string up Irish in the Klan.

I'm alright with JFK. Bobby, pass.

Ted: sorry about your illness. I will close with a limerick I saw on a M street bathroom wall in DC in 1980:

There was a young senator from Mass,
who wanted a fine piece of ass.
He lucked up and found one,
fucked up and drowned one,
and now his future is in the past.

Hopefully, barack will pick him as VP.
LOL

Ted Kennedy -

A perfect example of this lifetime Karma.

His condition (as are all of ours) is created out of how we perceive what we have done.

Whether this life or the next.

The story of Ted's Adventure:

http://www.ytedk.com/chappindex.htm

One of my readers said he was finally gonna be able to face Mary Jo Kopechne. I replied that he's prolly gonna go to a different place.

I tried to post a comment to that effect, I guess it disappeared into those Intarweb tubes. You're right, the chances of Swimmer meeting St Peter fall into two categories: Slim and None, and my money's on None.

A couple of minor points:

1. There were four Kennedy brothers. Joe Jr., the eldest, was killed during WW II. Family historians write that he was the one most likely headed for political greatness. Upon his death that mantle fell to Jack.

2. Jack's summit meeting in Vienna with Krustchev laid the groundwork for the Cuban Missile Crisis. Krustchev's measure of Kennedy during that meeting showed Kennedy to be weak, inexperienced, and immature. The fact that Krustchev "blinked" and removed those missiles led to his own downfall within the Politburo.

I wouldn't doubt that Kennedy's assassination was a direct result of either his successful bluff over Krustchev or his bungling of the Bay of Pigs invasion. There are well documented ties to both scenarios. Oswald was a known Communist sympathizer (his wife was a Soviet citizen) and Jack Ruby was tied to La Cosa Nostra (the Mafia).

Mama always told me that if I couldn't say anything nice about somebody, then I should just remain silent.

I'll be in my bunk.

I guess something nice to say about Ted is he is extraordinarily bouyant.

Grumpy - As a Catholic child I was indoctrinated in the concept that at death we go to meet St Peter at the Pearly Gates.. He dismisses us or lets us in. I don't see the chowder filled fella getting in.

My mother always told me to look at the truth, learn to accept it and speak of it with courage.
Thank you, Denny, for this very honest post. I needed it!

The process of sanctification and idolazition the Kennedys have been honoured with again this week, on the media, has made me sick. It's time for USA to topple the pedestal.

My husband was a British diplomat. In October 1962, we were in Houston, Texas, with our two young chidren, 750 miles in direct line with Cuba, during the Missile Crisis. We all knew that it was a result of the Bay of Pig failure. As far as we were concerned, because of a young, inexperienced President, for two weeks, we were at the brink of a nuclear war. It's not funny to teach your tots how to duck, knowing that ducking will not save a life.

Diplomats don't just go to fancy parties. They learn everything about the country they are posted to. We knew about Vietnam, and that Diem had been supported by USA. LBJ called him,in public, "The Winston Churchill of Asia." In private, he said Diem was no good but they had nobody else. We also learned (before the general public) that a coup had been organised by the CIA to get rid of Diem. He had been promised safety but he and his brother were assassinated on November 2, 1963. I always thought that this was the end of the Vietnam War.

Three weeks later, on November 22, President Kennedy came to Texas, and visited Houston. He met the Diplomatic Corps for one hour. After he left, we gathered together, as it's the habit. The British Consul, an older man of wide experience, just shook his head sadly, and said, "That poor young man is a walking disaster."

That poor young man was assassinated the day after. We never discussed JFK again in private and in public. The Legend grew. I often wondered if LBJ, RFK, and the CIA though of Diem's death when President Kennedy was killed.

I don't believe in retribution. I don't believe either in sanctification. A lot of good American citizens do their work faithfully everyday. Soldiers serve; some die. People suffer sickness.There is seldom a mention of any of them. I wish no ill to Senator Kennedy but I really don't think that he deseves the thanks of your nation just for being a Kennedy.

From Canada, with all my heart.

He aint gonna die and he aint got no tumor that thang they seen in tha X-rays is just a turd . He's got shit fer brains

Claudia...another great one...thanks for the insight...
DarrellG you hit it out of the park!!!!!
It is not like us to speak ill of course...and don't think of floater as dead...there is still so much damage he can do!!!!!!

ty guy - Thanks!

My last day with a computer till August. I depend on all of you to convince my friends from Texas that McCain is worth voting for. The country doesn't need a Kennedy-Carter-Obama at the helm. It would be another disaster. You're such good people. You deserve better.

Hey Jedi

More importantly, the "history" is that the Soviets "blinked" - they were bluffing with an empty hand the whole time.

Uh, Kennedy traded airbases in Turkey for the Soviets pulling back. I'd say that Kennedy blinked. And since I was in the military, that worked well for me.

But it was Kennedy's desire to "meet" that caused the inital problem.

Remind you of anyone we all know??

Denny:

http://www.attackcartoons.com/article.php?story=20080521074007665

There were four Kennedy brothers. Joe Jr. was killed in WW II.

Just a quick comment about the swimmer, hopefully TDO will be attending to him while he sits drooling on his porch with his shorty robe hanging open.... Even TDO can dream can she not?