I see also at the Rasmussen site that 77% of Georgians approve of checking voter ID at the polls. How is it possible that the justice department can override the state's decision? Isn't this particular detail something that would have been delegated by the Constitution to the states' determination? Fuck the Feds!!!

When inflation really kicks in, expect the public to turn on Jug Ears like you've never seen... Despite the adoring press and 'polls' that show that everyone loves him.

Peggy-We had a little family disagreement back in the 1860s over this. Unfortunately, our side lost, which set the stage for the overwhelming monster the Imperial Federal Government has become...

Speaking of polls, Cheney is more popular than botox bitch:
http://tinyurl.com/peqkqd

PeggyU, how can injustice overturn a federal court and an appeals court?

Why should an american president stop apologizing for his country? Other countries like germany do not and will not stop to apologize for their historical felonies. I don't like to put germany's faults into perspecitve, but as the bible sais "let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone...". For international reconciliation and cooperation it is important to take notice of what's happened in the past and look forward.

The US did some terrible mistakes in the last years (war, contempts of human rights, Guantanamo which looks for most europeans like the Buchenwald concentration camp of the 21st century). Apologizing for that is the beginning of new and improved international cooperation.

Vali (Germany, city of Dresden)

Found your blog link at Georgia Bloggers. I like your blog and plan to follow! :o)

validom - Gitmo=Buchenwald? What color is the sky in your world? We give these guys prayer rugs, Korans, and halal meals. We haven't gassed any of them. If you're so concerned about the inhabitants of Gitmo would your country like to take some of them off of our hands? I didn't think so. We waterboarded three terrorists. How many people did you Germans gas at Buchenwald, Aushwitz, Treblinka, et. al. We overthrew a tyrant who raped and tortured his own people. We didn't start this war. Take your sanctimonious moral equivalent bullshit somewhere else and GFY!

Thank you Denny for replying to validom, because MY reply would have been even more caustic, especially with tomorrow, June 6th coming up. My father was wounded twice during WW2 while liberating those ungrateful European bastards. This country lost so many of our finest young men so future generations could live in freedom. This is the fucking thanks we get. Fuck Europe. Fuck them all with a rusty chainsaw, if I can borrow a phrase from The Rott.

Vali- welcome to our discussions. Maybe I'd take you a little more seriously if you showed enough respect to capitalize American and President, as you seem to know enough to use upper case when spelling Guantanamo, Dresden and Germany.
I guess you haven't seen how the detainees live at Gitmo. If most Europeans see any similarities between Buchenwald and Gitmo (other than fences) they are so mis-informed (or closed-minded) that I, personally, see no reason to even worry about what they think. For what else should we apologize? Maybe to the Islamic radicals in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and other enablers, for having put our tall buildings in the way of those two jets?
If parts of our culture are bothersome to the rest of the world, it must be those parts that you folks see that come from Hollywood, Disneyland, the major news outlets and other purveyors of fantasy. Next time, let the jihadists crash into the movie studios and take out the hypocrites who wail about how bad things are here but won't go to Islamic countries and chastise those cultures for their treatment of women and queers.
Did the prisoners in Buchenwald get food as good or in the quantities provided at Gitmo? Did they get German lawyers fighting each other to represent prisoners?
Seems to me that international co-operation would be welcome when most nations stop paying lip service to opposing terrorists and stand up to them. Need I mention Spain?
Enough of my rambling. Hope this doesn't just encourage the trolls.

Rob J

Validom, how are you? I would like you to know that two of my uncles helped firebomb dresden to bare earth. Hopefully they incinerated some of your relatives. Until next time, your friend fubar.

The-O-bama-A-pol-ogy-Tour...

This tune came to mind when I first saw the header.

What ever happened to the dude (Ron?) that made the lyrics better than the originals?

Validom.....

Your country committed horror`s which resonate today as far in excess of anything done by other Western Nations......your countrymen should still be apologizing, but some were supporting the Iraqi regime of Saddam Huessien & by extension still support certain factions of the Muslim Fundamentalists.
We in the United States have nothing to apologize about..... I take that back , we have to apologize for this country to have been dumb enough to elect Barack Obama to be our President.....He is an insult to any who believe in liberty & freedom,he will bring problems & ruin to many.

I suggest you visit several of the concentration camps & reflect on the horror your Nation visited on an innocent people. Any reasonable person would be appalled even now 65/70 years after the fact for the monstrous crimes committed by your ancestors.
As to Guantanamo....this is a Caribbean vacation paradise compared to any Camp or Stalag which the Nazi`s operated ........I agree with Denny .."GFY"

CD - He's still around. I posted a rant by him earlier this week.

Fubar..dude...BWAhahahaha!!! Thank you.
For all my fellow ww2 junkies out there, check out a move just on DVD called "Defiance". It stars Daniel Craig and is based on a true story. remarkable. Validome, you may want to stay away because it may cause 3 week of solid self loathing.

I really like to take the time to answer, please don't tread me wrong just because my english is not that perfect ;)

I just go through all answers.

Denny&JerseyJerry: No, Gitmo is for sure not Buchenwald. That's why I already wrote that I do not like to put the german felonies into perspective. And especially most germans are still thankful for releasing our country from this bastard fascist+nationalist Hitler (I am!). But again for me your posts read like you missed something... these guys in Gitmo are arrested while dismissing everything the modern world has committed to: human rights AND law of war. It's highly illegal to have them still arrested. And they are put to torture. We've got the details from some european citizens after they got released. It's just degrading what they reported. If we are not stick to at least some rules, why should they? And: YOU DID start this war. By constantly assisting "the good" terrorists at Afghanistan, Iraq or Pakistan beginning in the 1970'ties. They got the weapons and education from the US.

Let's continue in the next post.

@ Inbred Redneck:
Again, sorry for not using exact english. I do my best to write America and President correctly.

For what should America apologize... just a few. Maybe we use another word for "apologize" here and use the wording "start to think of". I've been in the US on Memorial Day this year and took the chance to attend some ceremonies and a parade. I've seen all the huge US-flags. This militarism and selfishness made me sick. For me it looked like US-people always see them self as the "good men" and only the other are the "bad guys". But that's terribly wrong.

Look back: treatment of US-natives and Afro-American, Vietnam, support of Dictators in Africa (until today!), "War on terror" using wrong ways... there are to much to list them here. For me, as I am a pacifist, the US behavior especially in the past 8 years was mostly arrogant and overweening. Looks like you really need to get clear that the US is only 4% of the world and half of the europeans by population;) (that means also europe is not as important as we might see us) So what US and Europe really needs to learn is to start speaking to them self on an equal level and stopping to throw bad words and history to the other's head.

And stop to see you and the US as heroes. There are heroes, but not all+everything.

@fubar: I just think I should ignore you.

@dudley1: That's what I really hated in the speeches of your former President. This "be with us or against us" thing. It's really wrong that we support or supported Muslim fundamentalists, especially not Saddam's dictatorship. But this does not mean we run into a country, kill lots of people, destroy essential infrastructure and try to get them using our political system (and culture). The last one worked in Europe because the culture was and is not that different. But the Muslim world is, that's why these war(s) are foredoomed.

Ah ... I've been to many former concentration camps. Dachau, Auschwitz, Buchenwald. I've studied history. I know the facts. That's why we are not stopping to apologize.

Could you explain a bit more why you think Obama will ruin liberty and freedom? Think the rest of the world has hopes that he really starts liberty and freedom...

I would love to have a discussion or debate without using dirty wordings like "GFY". Thank you.

Validom,

You stated you are a pacifist. This means your opinion is not only wrong, it carries no weight. Pacifism never solved anything. Prove that statement wrong and we can come back and talk with you again.

Validom,

There's nothing for us to apologize for. America cleans up the rest of the world's messes. This is what we do best.

My brother is proudly - yes, PROUDLY - serving with the USAF "over there." On his behalf, let me be the first to say, "GFY."

Proud? Damn straight we are.

Validom, my dear friend, I have many family members that killed the nazi hun bastards in WWII. And guess what pacifist boy, their fathers killed lots of nazi hun bastards in WWI as well. And you know what, I have killed palestinian pieces of shit myself. And if merkel the moustache and the rest of you other hun bastards get out of line, my sons and grandchildren will come kick your country's sorry ass again. How's that pacifism working for you dude? Build your Mercedes Benz and BMW's and leave us the fuck alone. Stick to your smelly, hairy, teutonic twat. And go read your constitution. Get a personality, a set of fucking balls, and figure it out. When in doubt, refer to above. ^^^^^^^
Best wishes
Your new friend fubar.

"Ah ... I've been to many former concentration camps. Dachau, Auschwitz, Buchenwald. I've studied history. I know the facts. That's why we are not stopping to apologize."

pacifist two-generations ass kicked boy is a holocaust denier.

What's your address so I can pass it on to mossad?

Validom....

First .....We did not start the war on terror, it started many years ago ....9/11 was only the most deadly attack on us.

The Messiah..........He is a rat bastard Communist bent on destroying this country & installing a Socialist system.
He is also an angry racist attempting to pay back white America for perceived wrongs. In reality were he to have a legitimate reason for being angry for slavery, the real culprits were Europeans who brought the slaves here, Muslim Africans who ran the onshore slaving gangs & Black African tribesman who seized their fellow tribesmen & sold them into slavery.
Ask your leader`s what their opinion of Obama really is seeing as he threw them under the bus along with the English, French,East European`s & the Israeli`s.

Validome - I'll endeavor to accomodate your desire for understanding by focusing on one of your bits

these guys in Gitmo are arrested while dismissing everything the modern world has committed to: human rights AND law of war. It's highly illegal to have them still arrested.

- They wer arrested in battles they chose to engage in with US forces. They were arrested because they were are the enemy of the US. Thats what happens in war. If you get captured you are taken away, unless of course you are shot in the mouth right then and there like some of my fathers men were by the North Vietnamese.

-taking enemy combatanets prisoner violated the law of war...?? really? dude...

-its highly illegal to still have them arrested? news flash. they have remained arrested under Obama's watch. the only way you could draw the conclusion that it is even remotely illegal to have them arrested is that there is demonstrable proof that they did nothing wrong. Do you have such proof?

Of course not, you have liberal stupid blathering flowery rhetoric. You are of the same ilk of moron that we have over here, its just that you bathe less and are trying to assuage the guilt of your people by trying to indict the most righteous nation in the history of the world.

- So the WORLD is committed to allowing enemy combatants not to be taken prisoner? is that right? you said it. Lets see if we can name countries that have taken enemy combatants prisoner... all of them. Except maybe Luxembourg, Switzerland, and France since they surrendered.

Pacifist? fine I am a practical pacifist. I enter no altercation unjustly and feel that the fastest path back to peace is beating the ass of the offender, burying him, digging him up and beating him again. There, and I didn't even say GFY.

their fathers killed lots of nazi hun bastards in WWI as well

priceless...

I enter no altercation unjustly and feel that the fastest path back to peace is beating the ass of the offender, burying him, digging him up and beating him again.

That's a GREAT line!

Valium, those POS' at GITMO are war criminals. They were captured in combat while not wearing a uniform, or they participated in terror acts.
Yup, we started it all when we supported the Mujahadine (sp) after the soviets attacked Afghanistan. Maybe we should have sided with the soviets, after all, they woke up a lot sooner then the likes of Osama bin hasbin and the other thirteenth century splodydolts.
So what kinds of weapons do the islamic prefer? Well, lets see, Russian AK47s, yup American made they are! Russian RPGs, another fine built in the US of A product there! Soviet T-64 and T-72 tanks, right off the assembly lines in Detroit. French Mirage fighters produced in gasp, Wichita Kansas, another product of our fine country. Their Chemical manufacturing came from an American firm in Frankfurt Germany IIRC, another US made item there.
They don't seem to care much for the M-16 or M-4 rifle, or do they like the LAAW, the M-203, or the M-249. Not a single battalion was equiped with M-60s, M-1s M-2 Bradleys M-113s, and how many squadrons of F-4s F-15s F-16 or F-14s do they fly? Granted that Iran has some Tomcats, but we have not supplied them with parts since Carturd was in the white house.

hi again,

I really love to have this debate with you. So I take the time to answer all post.

@Ray: EU-history since 1945 proofed that it's just better to prefer peaceful solutions than war. Otherwise the European Union would not be possible. Just BTW.. yes I'am a pacifist. Maybe this word is wrong if I tell you: I would shoot you down if you attack (using equal weapons) my family. But still I prefer friendly and peaceful solutions.

@Jane Austen : "America cleans up the rest of the world's messes. This is what we do best."
OK, let's sum up this: America is the world's police? Where did you gain the legitimation for this? US simply do not have that.

@fubar: that statement just takes me to ignoring you. Just (and only) for you: you should suffer from a historic loss&failure somehow, then you might start to understand me.

@fuabar :"And go read your constitution". Oh yes! I've done that. It prohibits war of aggression. (=one who starts the attacks first). That's why your former foreign minister is still under the investigation of Germany's council of prosecution. (Iraq)

@fubar: why I'm a holocaust denier? I've stated clearly that I've studied history and know the facts. Millions of Jews (and not only Jews) were killed in concentration camps during Hitler regime. I've already wrote to apologize for that by proxy of my grandparents. What should I do more?

@dudleyt1 : I should also use strong words at you as you use "white American" in your post. I give a shit on origin or color. But I understand the all-day wordings in the American society uses this a bit different (If I would speak about the "whites" here in germany I would get thrown down as a nazi).

But what you've stated out is also correct: yes, European people shipped the black slaves to America. If you're not native American, thats also your history. But the US was wrong in history (you are on the same constitution since then) by repressing Afro-Americans. That's what I'm speaking about when mentioning "threat Afro-Americans wrong". Europe, especially Germany has their dramatic lesson earlier than you.

@patrick : guys at Gitmo were mostly not arrested while taking part as a combattant in an active war. Mostly, there were arrested because your security services had the suspicion that they maybe took part in terror attacks. No-one bans to arrest real servicemen of the enemy. Again, one of the Germans arrested reported clearly what have been done to him at Gimo and our own (and your) security service just stated clearly that he was not attending to combats and also not in terror attacks nor in planning them.

When you ask me to demonstrate that the prisoners did nothing wrong... what about the presumption of innocence? That's one of the major achievement in the modern world and a fundamental of our both legal systems.

@Jeremy: I'm not familiar with weapons. So please excuse me on not answering your question. But as the history has shown, US provided support and weapons to regimes and dictators not only in Afghanistan during Russian's war on them. It's the will to support the "good guys" in the past, who turned around to be the "bad guys" now, which kick your ass currently.

Validom: You would fail at finding anybody here who doesn't want to be friendly and peaceful...at first. However, only an idiot would cling to the childish view that violence is never necessary or that tangible results cannot be had from judicious applications of ass whooping. You seem to be under the mistaken impression (as are most of your continental brethren) that Americans revel in traipsing around the globe to administer beat-downs to tyrants and bad people. When a beat-down is necessary, we'll do it when nobody else will, because we love freedom and liberty. Your naive question, "Who gave the US the authority to be world police?" is easily answered: You did. You and every other coward and squishy-headed liberal who refuses to recognize that reality and your fantasy world are two separate things.

Germans are nice people, if a bit addled from the collective shame of standing by like retards while a monster committed horrible acts in your name. You can cast aspersions about and act like the US deserves blame, but please name another body of people who will spend time, money, and the lives of its young to defend people without regard of color, religion, or status? The UN? Please! NATO? That group of fucktards lost the will to form a cohesive union decades ago. When there is a crisis on this earth, the US will be there.

Tsunamis, other natural disasters, internal strife, terrorism, etc. You may disagree, but there are millions of people who have been enriched by US actions over the years. You yourself have been, but you have lost your way and think that freedom and relative comfort of life is cheap or easy. It is not. Men and women must die to assure it. Remember that.

validome - notice I did not call them "soldiers" or "servicemen" indeed our primary enemy has represented an ideology, not a bordered country. We fight who threatens us. and it was not our "security forces" that arrested/detained them. It was US soldiers and CIA. That is their job. I could give a rats ass what the "German Citizen" reported. IF the US was in the business of detaining innocents there would not be a couple hundred in Gitmo there would be thousands. I have an old, good friend who has served at Gitmo. He proudly acknowledges that there has been a handful water boarded and sleep deprived, but he says that there has never in the history of man been a more pleasant place to be detained.

I'll finish with ' Its Obama keeping them now. Not Bush. It is your halfrican God. ' absorb that and reconcile it to your fragmented low level thinking.

Val, your above comment directed at me proves my point. The European Union is a comical conglomerate of liberal/pacifist nations. Your collective military might couldn't match America's and your social institutions are being obliterated by your tolerance for others coming to your respective countries and taking advantage of your naiveness. If you consider yourselves (the EU) pacifists, and us war mongers, I'll take a war monger monika any day to maintain our integrity, security, and adherence to the principles our country were founded on.

Pacifism cannot really define EU. European soldiers fight in Afgahnistan for example. But I think America would collapse without strong military leadership. The strength of your currency get more from your capacity of military projection than your economy. That's why you spend so much money on military. It's a choice. It brought you to the first place, but there's a price that must be paid. You must constantly go to war, and prove that nobody can walk on your feet.
Europe choosed another way. Our (the EU) economy is the largest (GDP) in the world, and we promote regulation and protection.

I will make your day : your approach of the world is more masculine, ours is more feminine or maternal. Ying/yang.

Not the same, but remember, not so different either.

Validom......

My use of the term "White America" is not intended to be aloofness, it is an accurate representation of the words spoken by Obama on numerous instances describing the need for hope & change. Given his further statements for limitation of the ability to prosper by those who have succeeded ....the description of being a black racist paying back white America for perceived wrongs is correct.Incidently we the Unites States are the only country to have fought a civil war sacrificing the youth of our country to bring about the freedom of enslaved people & correcting a racial injustice brought about by our ancestors the Europeans.
America as the World policeman ....Being the leader of the free world & most powerful country has responsibilitie s....more then we really want , but would you rather have Russia or China assume the role? Until the European Community learns to really work together & solve their regional problems , I do not see it assuming this role anytime soon.

As to the investigation of any of our leaders for a role they played in the Iraqi war by a German council of prosecution or for that matter the Spanish idiot who wanted to try Cheney ......do you think for one minute we the United State s would allow something like this to proceed or tolerate any judgement thereof. You really ought to review the business your country among others was doing with the Saddam Huessein Regime prior to the invasion of Iraq as well as the 30 or so UN Resolution`s & all the violations by Saddam of the agreement which ended the first Iraq war.It is well established those with the ability or power have to sometime`s act when others are reluctant to do so even when they have voted to do so.

There is a huge difference between Presumptive innocence for those suspected of crime`s or criminal activity & those captured as enemy combatants during a war.The detention of enemy combatants is legal under international law ..always has been.

Validom,I have news for you.......you are more then a Pacifist,you are a detractor of all things American & minimally a dupe for the leftwing Socialists of this world. You are either a fool or a dreamer ,both of which are dangerous in the real world.

pResident BOzo's TWAT: The World Apology Tour.

Stupid prosper must have forgot about napoleon. Most of the world has, might as well.

http://www.tastelesschoice.com/day.htm

nazis, huns, krauts, it is all the same.

Vali- I hardly know where to start. Perhaps you want to use a different word than pacifist, as, to my understanding, that is a person who would use violence under no circumstances, whereas you say you'd use it to protect your family.
You speak of German citizens who claim they were mistreated at Gitmo. Training manuals for terrorists state that they are to claim mistreatment/torture/discrimination when captured. The world saw how this worked when people were killed in riots becasue a stupid "news" publication in this country decided to "report" the unfounded and later de-bunked story of a Koran in a toilet.
Did "we" at the behest of a maverick Congressman (Charlie Wilson) train and equip those who wanted to drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan? Sure, and I'd do it again to stop the Russians. Then again, we also had agents who trained and supplied weapons to the French underground in WWII, much to the detriment of the German occupiers, and I doubt that sits well with you. ;^) We also fought on the same side as Josef Stalin's troops, but that doesn't mean we had to remain allies with him and endorse everything he did before & after that war.
And I guess we over-stepped our bounds and behaved as the world's policemen when we helped kick Saddam's butt in Gulf War I, helping Kuwait and the other countries who probably didn't want us meddling in their affairs. Oh, yeah, and we enforced the "No-fly Zones" after that war that prevented a certain dictator from continuing the genocide he'd been practicing within his own country, but that didn't seem to concern any other countries than the US & UK. Seems to me that while we were doing that, the Iraqis used targeting radar on our planes, which is internationally recognized as an aggressive act, even an act of war. Doen't that mean that they fired the first shot,REPEATEDLY?
Now, how about giving a rest to that tired old slavery thing? I guess your studies of "history" didn't include the fact that this Country went to war with itself, and lots of brave men died on both sides, to end slavery here. Of course, my studies of history also neglect to tell me of the Civil War in Germany in the 30's & 40's when the populace rose up to stop the round up of the Jews, Gypsies and others. Oh, you say there was no such Civil War in Germany? My mistake!
It all comes down to that with us or against us thing. They attacked our ship in Yemen, they blew up two buildings in New York City (after a botched attempt in the 90's) and they've stated that they hate our culture. You may not have the stones to defend your way of life, just don't criticize our determination to protect ours.

Respectfully,

Rob J

Validom.....

One point I meant to bring up was concerning your apparent belief political correctness for voicing or displaying offensive commentary or scenes was verboten in Germany.

Back in the 1990`s I was in Europe on business & went to a small German Industrial town called Alfeld which is about 60 or so kilometers from Hanover.We were considering purchase of some automated production equipment for sheet metal & were there for a demonstration & Plant tour.

During the Plant tour we went behind the front office so to speak & in their inventory/service area found prominently displayed about 25 photographs of Adolf Hitler & other Nazi officials viewing a military Parade/Rally on the local streets & byways.

We asked about this display & were told by company officials many employees still idolized Hitler & the surrounding area had been a hotbed of National Socialism. He also stated many people were still quite sympathetic to the Nazi beliefs.

Germany may have had their dramatic lesson .....but it did not take very well in some areas. If you wish to be critical for political correctness I suggest you start at home before venturing to the United States.

@Jane Austen : "America cleans up the rest of the world's messes. This is what we do best."
OK, let's sum up this: America is the world's police? Where did you gain the legitimation for this? US simply do not have that.

Validom: I didn't say we LIKED it, I just said we DO it.

And to answer your poorly worded question: We "gained legitimation" when we made Germany a safer place for you to be born, you ungrateful SOB. You are typical of the Socialist drivel with which we have to contend here at home. You can't even say "Thank You" for making YOUR world a safer place. Maybe we should have bombed Germany a little harder and stamped out the possibility of you being born.

@duddley1 : yes, there are idiots in our country. We do have "neo-nazi" partys in our elections. So I can tell you how many idiots we obviously have: about 2% (Partys: REP, DVU, NPD and some other minor). I'm sorry to read you had such a bad experience. If you don't mind you could provide the name of this company and I try to find out what happened or happens there. If they have (by german law) illegal signs or pictures in public rooms we usually just run into their buildings and destroy them (really).

@skh.pcola : ok, so US does the job nobody else likes to do. Would be OK, if US would not have ignored international (UN before Iraq war). And if there were not so many mistakes...

And yes, US did very good actions. I'm an officer of the Federal Agency for Technical Relief (THW) which also helped in the USA after New-Orlean's catastrophe. That was my alternative civilian service, after finished my 6-year part-time contract I'm still in for another 5 years (voluntary). So I know of the international commitment US shows. I really thank you for that. But also our THW-troops sometime do some small or big mistakes while serving. We concede what we've done wrong. And try to learn and do it better next time. That's what I'm missing in US's military actions. Or at least in their communications.

to be continued...

@Ray: no, EU is not defined by pacifism. I really appreciate Prosper's comment on that.

@Inbred Redneck: "Sure, and I'd do it again to stop the Russians." Yes, and at this time this was the only logical thing to do. But this does not mean that we need to have the same view on that decades later. We should have a "higher" view on what happened. And learn from it. And *maybe* apologize for it. There are so many examples in history: at a time something was the right thing to do, but after all it is wrong.

Discussing about US war on Iraq: while you write about who really fired the first rocket it reminds me on the failure to proof the reason for going on war on Iraq: nobody found atomic or biological weapons there. Again, until today there's nothing communicated by the US that they might apologize for the lies to UN and NATO ("I found a link between "al qaida" and "Iraq" ! It's a Q !!!, I just like this comic...)

And at last a very important one ... "defending culture" and "defending way of life". Life and culture are only living by change. You can't defeat them by using your military. That's why we accept foreign cultures in EU. We grow with them. (or try to)

@Jane Austen: If you read my posts careful, you would find the "Thank you". To state it again clear: thank you for fighting this bastard Hitler out of my home country. Really.

@duddley1 again: when I speak about "threating Afro-Americans wrong" I do not only mean what happened before your civil war. But especially after, until the 1960'ties. There was the same ideology (but focused on other victims) in US which Hitler used to kill Jews. But you didn't kill them, just put them in a lower role. (e.g. having extra space for Afro-Americans in public transport).

And BTW.. Germany had also civil wars. 1848/49 is just one of them. Also fighting for a better (in this case democratic) country.

@patrick: if you deny to accept the reports of some released people arrested in gitmo, let's wait what the to-be-released ones will report.

Validom.....

WMD`S in Iraq ....... My nephew was there & in Kuwait , for your information more then 500 Artillary shells which contained traces of chemical elements were found in various place` s, some had been rigged for car bombings. Also several sites were found which were recently occupied which had trace elements of Phosegene & Sarin gas.
It is highly likely that the Iraqi stockpile was moved to Syria & is now somewhere hidden there..Iraqi General Georges Sada who was the #2 man stated The Republican Guard loaded Chemical munition`s on to 56 Airplane flights to Syria just prior to the Iraq War , He also stated a number of truck convoys also moved the balance of WMD`s to Syria with Russian help. This man wrote a best selling book which was circulated widely in Europe.....Look for it & learn.

The same ideology was used in the United States to put Blacks in lower roles as Hitler used to kill Jews. What are you ...nuts??
If you really want to gain an appreciation for racial equality in the United States....Focus on the billions of dollars invested into affimative action plans. While the democrat`s have used the race card to gain the voting loyalty of the black voter`s.......There is a sizable & growing body of black middle class professional`s who used education & hard work to achieve success, acquire wealth , respect & acceptance. You see for those who choose the high road for upward mobility instead of standing on the steps of the welfare office yelling give me! Give me! there is a path for success ....the same path all other racial extractions of Americans have used.

One thing still amazes me is no matter how many time`s the truth is put out for people like you concerning WMD`S.......You refuse to research let alone believe. You & other`s are so wrapped up in hatred for America you ignore reality & obvious truth. I really pity people like you.

Iraq was invaded for non-compliance with UN sanctions, period. Learn your history. Looks like the Marshall plan hatched another generation of idiots.

Validom, you must know that WMD is still a painfull issue for most commenters here, especially dudley. See : he quotes his nephew, but forget that on October 6, 2004, the head of the Iraq Survey Group (ISG), Charles Duelfer, announced to the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee that the group found no evidence that Iraq under Saddam Hussein had produced and stockpiled any weapons of mass destruction since 1991, when UN sanctions were imposed.

on a side, dudley's nephey, on the other side, the Iraq Survey Group.

as dudley says himself : (...) are so wrapped up (that) you ignore reality & obvious truth.

At this point, he generally becomes mad ("I really pity you").

one last comment on WMD, by General Tommy Franck :
"No one was more surprised than I that we didn't find (WMDs)." December 2, 2005

No doubt it's another America's hater.

Prosper, you obviously lack the ability to grasp the meaning of words. Tommy Frank said they didn't find the weapons. Didn't say they weren't there. As is typical for a liberal pacifist such as yourself, you read what you want into something instead of understanding what you are actually reading. And as stated above, we removed the dictator and killed his cronies because of his failure to confirm to dozens of UN resolutions. End of story. WMD's were just a side bar. Argue that point please with facts, not you "heartfelt feelings".
You are a tool Prosper. And as for our economy, it's still the strongest in the world. Based on military might. Yeah right. The European Union is not yet considered any type of "power house" either in military, politics or economy. You need to stick your head outside of France's borders once in a while to learn this.
Another tool comment.

Prosper......

You like to twist the facts of the story & only post what you think will substantiate your position.I see you completely omitted any referance to General Georges Sada the # 2 man in Iraq who had control over certain areas of the WMD program . Once again his book was a best seller in Europe , I`ll venture a guess they even published it in French. If you won`t buy a copy to read , maybe you could shoplift one.French are good pickpockets ,stealing a book should be easy.

Oh & while I am responding to your asinine response, Israeli Intelligence also reported the WMDS were spirited into & hidden in Syria ......but they along with not only General Sada but other Iraqi military are all in collusion determined to lie about the existance of chemical weapons to help substantiate the American invasion.

I guess the several hundred thousand Kurds, Iranian soldiers & Marsh Arabs said to have been gassed to death by Saddam really died from sunstroke or bad French wine.

Prosper....You are an anti American fool who chooses to ignore the obvious by choice .....It must be French heredity which predisposed the mistake`s of your ancestors to be passed on to your generation.

I do not get mad at you Prosper, but I do confess being perplexed for the abject stupidity you display with refusal to open your eyes to what is happening in the world. Hatred blinds you I guess.

dud, for my information, your 500 Artillary shells, it it like the two trailers captured in Iraq by Kurdish troops ?
you know : "the biological weapons factories on wheels and on rails" described by Colin Powel.

according to Iraqi Survey Group, they were "almost certainly intended" for manufacturing hydrogen for weather balloons.

we are still laughing !

Prosper- you and the weather balloons- reminds me of the weather balloons and "UFOs" in this country, years ago. You conveniently ignore the fact that Iraq was required to rid themselves of CB&R (that's what we called WMD when I was in the military) and told everybody they had done so. A few old ones with traces of nerve agents are one thing, but as for 500 artillery shells, they must have just fallen off a turnip truck, right? They were reported by members of the US House of Representatives, it's that most of the media wouldn't follow up, as it didn't fit with their agenda. Even the ranking Dem on the committee who investigated made the quip that it was nothing as dangerous as what's found under the kitchen sink, but I notice she didn't volunteer to bang on the shells with a hammer. Maybe that mustard gas still scared her just a bit? Then again, I understand your reluctance to believe a Democratic Congresswoman. One other thing about those balloons. Maybe you and Governor Arnold the RINO can use the trailers as fuel stops on his Hydrogen Highway here in Kalifornya.
Was it perhaps yourself who just fell off the turnip truck?
Vali- if we want to look back and think about mistakes, would we think the same thing about the Berlin Airlift? Or is that something that they neglected to mention in your studies of history? It's yet another thing I'd want to do again, even if it did lead to a generation or two of soft-hearted/headed Germans who want to run and hide from adversity.
It's too bad you don't value and respect your own culture enough to be willing to defend it militarily. The radical Islamists have said they want to destroy ours, not change it. The law enforcement approach didn't seem to do much good after the bomb under the WTC in the 90's, or is that another thing you didn't learn in your studies?
BTW, where did you get "the reason" to go to war in Iraq. Weren't there several reasons given? Isn't the "first rocket fired" an act of war? Weren't there several other reasons, such as violating all those UN (spit) resolutions, and the best one, which I can see no reason for you to dispute, is that Saddam signed an agreement to cease hostilities after GWI. He started that one, got his butt kicked, gave up, and agreed not to do certain things. When he abrogated that agreement, he in effect, re-started hostilities. No more justification needed for kickin' his butt again.
And please spare me the "talking" and "sanctions" shit. The UN (SPIT) Food-for-Oil (for cash) scam just provided the dictator with more money for luxuries for himself while he claimed the "sanctions" were starving his people. He had help in blackmarketing his oil, and it came from greedy bastards in the US, UK, France, Germany and other places, IIRC.
And while I'm at it, we now have more blacks driving the bus to make a living then we ever had sitting in the back, and that was only a local policy in some places, not where I grew up. Care to show me how the US Government officially sanctioned ghettos, and gassed blacks, Jews or any other group?
Expand your reading, sir. I think there's still hope.
Now, excuse me, but as a white American male I have to go to my job to earn a living for myself, my family and all those suckin' off the public tit. President Obama wants to tax me and aspirin, 'cause we're white and we work.

Rob J

Prosper ......

Fools laugh....Wise people listen & learn.

The mobile labs supplied by France....only three were found of the 20 or so manufactured & supplied. One badly damaged , two with traces of chemical agents......Wonder what happened to the rest wondered Prosper? Maybe the weather ballons carried them away thought Prosper....BWAHAHAHAHA! Man isn`t that just hilarious giggled Prosper!
Tell me ..were your parent`s laughing when the Germans were marching thru the streets of Paris Prosper?
Tell me .....Were your Grandparent`s laughing when the Huns attacked Prosper?
Tell me...Are you laughing now Prosper?
Oh! that is right ....Dudley is just rehashing old stuff ...BWAHAHAHAHA! Thats a hoot giggled Prosper.

Prosper, We are laughing....BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Look at the Giggling Frenchman just like his ancestors......to stupid to see reality , BWAHAHAHAHA! Laugh some more you fool, enjoy your stupidity Prosper.....We are..... BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

and now he has exploded...

with a last WWII comment.

May he rest in peace...

Can the french locate a black box in the atlantic? hmmmmmm?

Prosper......
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Vali, go play fetch with your dog.

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hard to be brief on this but will try.

Sadamm would not let Hans Brix (as we spell it here at the GOC) inspect his palaces. he defined lots of stuff as palaces. he may have had nothing there but it sure left the impression that he did. Fubar is right in that he was invaded for not complying with US sanctions. Gulf war 1 never "ended" there was a conditional cease fire. All of this will never be enough for any anti war lib to agree that we should have invaded. I did not care then and do not care now.
The invasion was a manifestation of the Bush doctrine that libs despise "you are with the terrorists or you are with us". Sadamm was not with us. Some strategic byproducts of the invasion are the standing down of Libya, the western front that Iran must now contend with, and the ridding of the most sure fire next refuge for al quaida. Of course this cannot be proven but it is the reasonable answer.

Ultimately the war was misplayed. Too many pussies calling too many shots. Al Sadr should have been killed, marine snipers should have stayed in Fallujah and some much better border enforcement (ordinance) should have been layed down on the borders of syria and Iran.

what we have now is JHE. nice.

Oh, and let me comment on this nugget: or pictures in public rooms we usually just run into their buildings and destroy them (really).

so let me get this straight. In modern, enlightened Germany the way you deal with diversity and dissent is to send in jack booted thugs to destroy property. Yup, you've come a long way. stupid hun.

Patrick, that is straight from the operational playbook of all socialists. Do what they say, not as they do. One of the new doctors I hired is a German resident, here on a Green Card and is married to an ex-military guy. He's quite conservative, she considers herself more of a libertarian (which I can live with, except their stance on national defense). Anyway, we were purusing some political web sites yesterday and she made this statement. "You know, the think I hate about liberals is they are the biggest hippocrates I've ever met. They say one thing, mean another, and do even another". Bingo. I may have to give her a raise for showing her high level of intelligence.

There are aliens on Mars.

It's 100% true.

We just haven't found them yet.

Sure we have Robin. You're the first one.

That's a pretty lame "zinger". Ronald Reagan you are not.

@patrick: sedition is illegal in germany. Especially Holocaust denial, using and/or showing Nazi-Symbols in public and the Hitler salute is treated as such an incitement of the people. There is a good possibility to get an imprisonment for up to 5 years if someone does it.

That's why I used the strong wording.

Vali