Wow, I could not have said it better. I do not feel anything on this man's passing other than disgust for what he did to us in Vietnam.
Thanks for the great eulogy.

Thank you once again for your insight to the truth. My wife was watching as Katie the commie was wetting herself over the Cronkite career. I educated her on the same facts that you spelled out here and how I feel he had blood on his hands in the form of returning veterans.

O, for God's Sake!

Ever heard of a fellow called Robert Strange McNamara? TWO FULL FUCKING YEARS before Cronkite in 1968, this fellow RSM, told not only the President, but also the House and Senate that the war in SEA could not be won! At that time, we had 'only' lost about 18,000

And you blame Walter Cronkite for this??? The SecDef tells the President, the House, the Senate, the Joint Chiefs in NINETEEN SIXTY SIX that the war is a stalemate ... AT BEST ...

Man, you need to go break out a book on history before you cast such aspersions on a dead man.

Oh Goodie. DanS stepped up and likely stated something that people here much smarter and more historically educated than me will probably pick apart and spit out as the typical pacifist, liberal propaganda that he tries to peddle. I was 3 at the time he was quoting, so what did I know. However, two of my veteran uncles who will not talk to me about the war (I respect them for that, but tell them their silence will not help future generations learn from the mistakes of previous administrations) will both say the same thing. We could have won that war if the soldiers and commanders were allowed to fight it. Plain and simple. Pretty obvious to me. What do you say to that DanS?

Ray, I say:

"Aaaaay, Caramba!" Which, loosely translated, means

READ A FUCKING BOOK! Read McNamara's OWN WORDS!

Danno - How about the history book of "I Was Fucking There"? I was there during Tet. Or how about the history book of "General Giap, Who After Tet Failed, Thought The War Was Lost"? We won the fighting war but lost the political war at home thanks to rat bastard commies like Walter Cronkite.

DanS, I prefer the straight from the mouth from those who were there version of history thank you very much. I am already reading way too many fucking books that libs/pacifists like you have put into the hands of our children pretty much questioning our morals and actions in a number of military conflicts. YOU PUSSIES. Here's a typical liberal spin on your comment. McNamara might have said "and if we don't start fighting this war to win, then this is a war we will not and can not win". Ding, Ding, Ding, in comes liberal/pacifist moronons like you and only grab the quote from "......then.....". Then again, was McNamara a liberal, pacifistic moron like our current entire administration? Please enlighten us, cause if you don't, I'm sure any book that I find that supports what my uncles have told me will not meet with your high standards of truth as you know it.

Hey DanS,

Here are a couple of historical points to ponder.

Nearly every officer in the Army and Navy told Douglas MacArthur that he couldn't land at Inchon.

He did.

Harry Truman's advisors told him that defeating MacArthur in 52 would be risky , so he fired MacArthur.

HST's advisors told him we couldn't win in Korea.
He listened and started the "Truman Doctrin".

Now we have the 38th Parallel and a Nuclear North Korea. So much for listening to free advice.

History is written by Liberals, but forged by those are told they can't do something and then go do it.

Just thinking food.

Pete

Mc Namara just croaked as well. CBS is a joke. Dan Rather is another news man with no credibility at all. Richard Daley should have had his ass beat worse in 1968.

All I can say is:

We were winning when I left.

I don't pin anything after that on the like of Walter Cronkite.

Are you serious when you say something akin to "Walter Cronkite Caused the NVA to Start the Khmer Rouge?"

Man, y'all got some revisionist history going on for yourselves!

Dugout Doug ... ever read what he himself had to say? I did. Same with Truman. And Richard J. Daley had his ass beat in 1968? WTF???

History is *NOT* written by 'Liberals' ... history is written by researchers using documented fact.

1966: The SecDef says we cannot win the Viet Nam war. 1975, events, not politicians, prove it. And yes, I was there.

DanS,
I remember you leftist realists. You really hate your country, you really hate the middle class, you really hate people who try to be decent, you really hate the military. Really, your oars don't really touch the fucking water.

Truman fired Mac because Mac was a threat to be President?

Why not do yourself a favor and visit a certain General's building @ MacArthur Square in downtown Norfolk, Virginia and read the Generals own words about presidential aspirations?

Hermit:

You have no idea of how wrong you are.
If it makes you happy to think otherwise, then have a Fine Navy Day Shipmate.

You probably, equally, have no idea of what I just said.

Ray:

PLEASE read what RSM himself has to say about his role in Viet Nam. You say you want the words of the source itself (e.g. your Uncles) and yet you disdain the very words of the architect who says he was wrong, wrong, wrong.

See a problem there?

Ray:

PLEASE read what RSM himself has to say about his role in Viet Nam. You say you want the words of the source itself (e.g. your Uncles) and yet you disdain the very words of the architect who says he was wrong, wrong, wrong.

See a problem there?

Bad grammar. Daley had his guys whip rather's ass. On live tv. With ole Walter in the press box. LOL

As I recall, Cronkite helped get us into Viet Nam. He was flying over the jungle and said something like "We can beat them, easily".

I think Cronkite turned into a fellow traveler instead of an outright Commie. Then again, he read what was put in front of him, written by someone else.

Hermit - DanS bravely served this country. Tap the brakes there.

Fubar - wish those guys would have finished the job when Kenneth wouldn't give up the frequency.

Hermit - And DanS was in Viet Nam. That is one of the reasons he is so anti-war.

DanS,
God knows I respect a brother veteran. I feel a bit of hurting cause
I was in Nam watching AFTV when Kronkite said we lost the war.
America will never lose! Dan, we must be old bastards. LOL

It would be nice if modern reporters were willing to challenge the current Administration the way Walter Concrete did in his day.

Walter Cronkite.......

Regarding his portrayal of the Viet Nam War as a lost cause.......Without question he did willing mis-represent the true state of affairs following the Tet Offensive.
1. The Tet Offensive was a huge loss for the North Vietnamese.
2. It is also true they were in a mood to discuss peace as a result.
3. In my opinion,this is another case where a Newsman decided to make news/policy instead of reporting it accurately.
4. To say he was totally responsible for what went wrong with the Viet Nam War is also wrong. There is plenty of blame to go around as McNamara comes immediately to mind.

However the power of a TV journalist to influence policy or to shape public opinion should never be underestimated......This what Uncle Walter was really guilty of in my book, he misused his power & prestige to effectively neutralize what was an American victory & convinced many it was a defeat. He demonstrated his real political beliefs in doing so.I do not think he was a communist but he was a liberal socialist & meddled in affair`s he should not have .

The fact so many American`s bought into what he reported is not his fault .......American`s have been demonstrating for years their unwillingness to accept responsibility or reality regarding the world at large or threats to our security.Our last election is just the latest in a continuing travesty of ignorance which Walter Cronkite was also a part of.

I suppose one way to place this in proper perspective is to state sometimes in child molestation cases it is often found the kindly Grandfather is the culprit .......so it is today in reflecting on Walter`s conduct in regards to dis-information for the reality or truth of the Viet Nam War.

What Walter did from a news standpoint was to legitimize the position of manufacturing news which certainly provided a key to what Dan Rather did & others continue to this day in advancing a political agenda .......It was wrong then & it is wrong now.

As I noted, He lived forty years longer then he deserved.
Why no disgusted GI, or Vietnamese refugee didn't go beat him to death is beyond me. he deserved that and more.
The myths of Vietnam say it was an unjust war, an imperialist idea. The truth is the opposite. We were fighting to keep people free. Yes we made mistakes, but our atrocities were far less then the atrocities of the NVA and VC.

DanS,

Were those words by Douglas written before or after Harry Truman's Senate Committee, chaired by Democrat Richard Russell smeared his name so bad and blessed Truman to the Nth, that Douglas M withdrew from the 1952 running?

And what was MacNamara's concept of the Truman Doctrin? Oh and how did the Truman Doctrin conflict with trying to win in Viet Nam.

You may not find all that in your little "Red Book".

Pete

This could make a semi-sane person puke (from FOXNEWS):

"More recently, in a syndicated column, Cronkite defended the liberal record of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry and criticized the Iraq war and other Bush administration policies.

But when asked by CNN's Larry King if that column was evidence of media bias, Cronkite set forth the distinction between opinion and reporting. "We all have prejudices," he said of his fellow journalists, "but we also understand how to set them aside when we do the job."

Any idiot who defended Kerry's record and was so deep in self-denial that he couldn't see how his own prejudices affected the millions of viewers who believed him (again, from FOXNEWS: "And when Cronkite took sides, he helped shape the times. After the 1968 Tet offensive, he visited Vietnam and wrote and narrated a "speculative, personal" report advocating negotiations leading to the withdrawal of American troops.") was nothing less than a shit-filled, white-washed, self-aggrandizing, pompous talking-head who said one thing and believed another. In other words, a true liberal piece of excrement, who, in the words of Willie Nelson, loved listening to the sound of his own voice.

Yes, Tet was such a "decisive victory" for the USA, that we won the wore later that year. No wait, we must have won it in 1969. No, probably in 1970 or 1971. Oh wait, the war just kept on going, and going, and going... It was most clearly a stalemate. We just kept fighting and fighting and never achieving our objective. So eventually we just ended it. And we ended it way, way too late. It should have never happened. So many great American lives completely wasted on a pointless, idiotic war.

A war that idiot wingnuts like you still defend and think we should still be fighting. It's amazing how unbelievably stupid you are.

Aren't I hot?

Holy crap Sally! Are you really that stupid? Why don't you do some research and read what General Giap, the NVA commander, had to say about Tet. It was a disaster for both the NVA and the Viet Cong. Their fatalities were devastating. Yet Walter Cronkite returned from his trip to Viet Nam and declared the war was lost. We won all the military battles but lost the war at home due to rat bastard commies like Walter Cronkite. Remember, I was there and I lived through it. Of course, since you are an America hating liberal you want us to lose all of our wars.

Slutbag Sally...........

Your understanding of the Viet Nam conflict is flawed ......just like you understanding of most everything. In reality we walked away from a victory & an enemy willing to suspend the war. Cronkite is not the man who made that decision but he is the one who lied to the American people as to the truth. A truth which still elude`s you & those like you.

Aren`t you hot?? Maybe in a reptilian sort of way, why not slither over to your local zoo & see if there is a lonely blind snake in one of the cages. Be careful, even snakes have standards they maintain.

Slutbag Sally...........

dudley1-
What a cheap shot to sluts around the world. At least they get laid once in a while...

CharlieDelta.....

OK.....SCUMBAG SALLY.......Who could not find any snake let alone a blind one. Still in a romantic mood but alone ,she decided to let her fingers do the walking...........but they said they had a headache.

That war was a quagmire. It was a stalemate. The U.S. would win some battles and lose some battles but we could never win the war. Year after year it kept going. Tens upon tens of thousands of America's best wasted. We kept throwing men and munitions at them and we couldn't win. It was a stalemate. It should have never started. It had to be ended.

We walked away from a win? Good god you really can't be that stupid. Well, of course you can. Clearly you are. I'm sure you thought we were about to win in 1966. Then we were about to win in 1968. Then we were about to win in 1970. Then 71, 72, 73. Boy we were sure close to winning at every turn, weren't we? Christ you morons love a war. I like not wasting American lives on pointless, meaningless bullshit.

But Sally, everything you type is pointless, meaningless bullshit...

Soldier's Angels is coming up again soon. Can you produce a scan? I know times are tough and all, but as an alcoholic I can produce one so why can't you?

Maybe because you are full of shit?